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      11-08-2012, 01:17 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by andrew777 View Post
You make a mistake in assuming young people don't want socialism or communist. Most American's are brainwashed or taught to believe in such concepts. It would be better to have people read something like John Stuart Mill's On Liberty or Locke's Two Treatises of Government or even Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy so as to better understand what values this country is built on.

Some great quotes...
The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant.
John Stuart Mill

If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.
John Stuart Mill
More advanced readings for the lamen^^

John Stuart Mill believed that a person should be left as free to pursue his own interests as long as it does not harm the interests of others. He believes in free trade, unadulterated by govt oversight and that if the govt ran the economy, then all people would aspire to be part of a bureaucracy which had no incentive to further the interests of any but itself

Other notable concepts Mill postulated:
-Flat taxation regardless of income (seems reasonable)
-Malthusian theory of population control for the laboring class (might ruffle some feathers but free contraception and govt sponsored abortion fits the bill)
-His views on politics evolved into a socialist outlook for many of the same reasons explored by Bastiat. However, he believed that the incompetence of the masses could eventually be overcome if they were given a chance to take part in politics, especially at the local level...something I doubt the majority of Americans are willing to undertake.

Locke's second treatise: "Only legitimate governments are those that have the consent of the people. Therefore, any government that rules without the consent of the people can, in theory, be overthrown."

Every social program that is enacted further locks the population of this country into dependance on the government. Dependence besets further dependence, hence the ceasing of wealth through higher taxation, government regulation and oversight of the entire economy snuffing out free trade, government ran education eliminating diversity of opinion...look at how much things have changed in just the last 100 years, look at the trend of American society...where are we headed?

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