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      01-23-2013, 01:53 AM   #915

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Originally Posted by GoingTooFast View Post
Or you could otherwise say... just a little slower than an equally light weight and 40 hp more powerful, 9000 rpm capable Honda S2000 also driven by Horst von Saurma: 8:39 min.

So you see, it's not so much a question of more power but mid-range punch instead... please add more torque!
Originally Posted by GoingTooFast View Post
With more low to mid-range torque you will inevitably need slightly more rubber. Mind you, the S2000 also has the wider rear tires advantage f:215/45R17 r: 245/40R17 (as you suggest).

Ok Red Bread, I must be fair with you.

In fact, the Horst von Saurma's Nurburgring lap time on the Honda S2000 dates from 01/2000 which means that not only the wheels and tires were smaller - front 205/55 and rear 225/50 on 16-inch alloy wheels - but also that the OEM tires were the Bridgestones Potenza S-02 based on which the S2000 was developed. (Only after 2003 the S2000 came equipped with the RE050's tires f: 215/45R17 r: 245/40R17)

The tested original Honda S2000 (AP1 S2000s) still had the wider rear tires advantage when compared to the Toyobaru though (215/45 R17 on all four corners for the Toyobaru) and whether the Potenza's S-02 are a better tire in the dry than the more recent Potenza's RE050A used on the GT86 for setting the Nurburgring lap time I really can't tell but it seems the consensus among the S2000 owners is that the S02s are better (they provide increased grip in the dry at the expense of faster wear).

02/22/2001 - Torrance, Calif. -

The latest version of VTEC, Honda's advanced variable valve-timing system, operates the S2000 engine's16 valves (4 per cylinder). This new system is more compact and tailored to the high-output, high-rpm operating characteristics of the S2000 engine.

A new 6-speed, close-ratio manual transmission has also been designed for the S2000. The transmission is a compact design and features a direct shift linkage with excellent feel and short throws. A Torsen limited-slip differential smoothly delivers power to the rear wheels, regardless of traction conditions.

The S2000 engine and transmission are capable of accelerating the S2000 from 0 -- 60 mph in less than six seconds.

Honda's racing expertise is also evident in the S2000's responsive handling. The chassis has an ideal 50/50 weight distribution, and the body and frame are a new-design hybrid monocoque/frame structure that forms a rigid, flex-free platform for the S2000's newly developed in-wheel double wishbone suspension system, and plays an important role in helping the S2000 achieve its high "world-class" safety protection. The power steering system is a newly developed, highly responsive, electrically assisted type.

The front 205/55 and rear 225/50 R-rated tires are mounted on 16-inch alloy wheels, and 11-inch brake discs (vented in front) provide excellent stopping power and brake feel. An anti-lock braking system is standard.


Last edited by GoingTooFast; 01-23-2013 at 07:39 AM.