Originally Posted by Never Convicted
Looks from your car list that that happened 8 years ago, so why all the sudden moaning now? And why do you give so much credence to new untried models from other manufacturers while you're performing Hamlet about BMW? BMW has taken a large step with the M3/M4, and their competition knows it, even if you're completely clueless about it. You've made it clear that you want nothing that BMW makes anymore...about 14 times in this thread. Everybody gets your point. What's the matter with kids these days, right?
It's the subject of the thread. If you don't want to read about it, don't read the thread.
The e60/e90 generation were ugly and had bad interiors (and the center console didn't aim at the driver, and they replaced spare tires with run flats), but they did a lot of things right. The e60 M5 in particular has a lot of things I like-- NA high revving engine, aluminum chassis, alu/mag engine, proper rack and pinion steering (way better feel than the e39's reticulating ball), etc. I would argue that the engine and chassis of the F10 is actually a technological step backwards from the e60, though I'm sure both are cheaper to make.
I'm curious how old you think I am
Originally Posted by Red Bread
1M Coupe, gone, but it sounds like the M235i is likely to be similar. If you like the E46 M3 and haven't driven a 1M, you should.
There's a LOT that's awesome about the 1M, and then one thing that kills it for me-- the engine. If they had sold a 1M with the S65... I'm pretty sure it would have been the best BMW made for my wants, ever. I would certainly have one. But, I don't like torque, I don't like lag, and I don't like overheated on track... so the turbo engine is a complete deal breaker for me.