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Here is a data point from our recent car buying experience. We were considering Kia Telluride, alongside Volvo XC-90, X7 and GLS. All the Telluride in So. Cal. are sold out, and they are going about $15k over sticker without any ability to test drive. That makes them around $60k before tax or around $1k to lease. And you have to buy it sight unseen before car even arrives to the dealership, since so many people want it. We ended up buying a X7, but we would have seriously considered a Telluride if they weren't going so much over MSRP (it's a principle thing...)
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