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      05-05-2010, 04:29 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Georgeair View Post
Transmission.
Storage.

Solve those first.
Transmission, oh yeah, that would take an actual investment in our grid's infrastructure. God-forbid. It's not like we don't know how to build power lines. Plus, you need to look into this: http://rael.berkeley.edu/node/248

The technology is there, it just needs funding.

Storage: let's see: The hydrogen battery - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80...-solar-energy/

and the vanadium battery: http://discovermagazine.com/2008/oct...ergy%20storage

But again, guess what, no funding. But yeah, let's spend BILLIONS on fossil fuels!

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Originally Posted by lkw15 View Post
But neither come remotely close to providing the energy - particularly transportation energy - that we (and the world) needs.

The American Bird Conservancy estimates that U.S. wind turbines kill between 75,000 and 275,000 birds per year.

Obviously, solar panels have to be manufactured. These panels have varying life cycles, and producing them utilizes a wide variety of heavy metals including lead, mercury, cadmium and nitrogen trifluoride (NF3) which scientists have claimed is 17,000 times worse than CO2.

My point is that no matter what the technology/source/origin - there will always be negatives.
Hydrogen/Electric has all the potential to provide the world with transportation energy.

Do you really think someone has counted how many birds are killed by turbines? I mean, look at the statsistic you provided. That's a rediculous range, it's meaningless.

At least with those heavy metals we have a better chance at sequestering and recycling them. The sequestering of CO2 has proven to be cost/energy prohibitive.

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Let me know when it will be possible to efficiently run our economy on those energy sources.
Well, if you want to talk pure economics, then yeah, let's keep on the fossil fuel path, because that's what's making the most money right now. Do you really think one of the most powerful industries in the world is going to make any meaningful investment into technologies that'll essentially be free once the infrastructure is built. Show me the money, Fuck The Earth!
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