Originally Posted by FlyLow335i
BeenieMan - we are saying the same thing...
Basically what I am saying is that proper tuning (lowering max timing) is the way to go. The Cobb OTS maps are fine - go to the track and it would help to lower the timing a bit more (which is the whole point of this discussion and just further supports the fact that Mike is babbling nonsense) because conditions become "more harsh" while rowing through the gears from a dead stop to 11x mph.
Case and point - if you set timing properly the car will never knock. Being able to tune the car like every other platform (because tuning is tuning no matter the platform - just different values but the same principles) will allow us to achieve this. If I had ATR I can set my car to almost NEVER knock. I could make a second map with much higher timing values and a bit more lean so that I could run racegas. Mike's arguement is to let the car do all the adapting on one map and don't touch timing as the stock ecu will knock its way into a lower timing set - until it tries to ramp up again and knock its way back down. Irregardless - one method doesn't involve knocking - one does - in the tuning world that decision wouldn't even be questioned by a 2 year old.
You are spot on with the meth comment. I often recommend people I help/tune/build run 50/50 mix on a moderate nozzle and not always tune for it. This car will adapt to the fueling as you are supplying some fuel (meth doesnt supplement all that much but it does have enough of a presence) but overall it will simply reduce charge temps and lower egt allowing for a more efficient combustion process.
you are spot on with this comment.
unless you want to run on the ragged edge w your motor....run a standard map w the meth and your car will be happy as can be. Lower IAT's.....higher octane.....smoother timing. Happy and fast car.
if your in Clap's position where your IATs are low anyway and your timing is maxed out for your map....then Id have to say meth is a waste of $$ of a DD. On the track its another story. Any intercooler on this car will heatsoak eventually on the track and thats where meth will add an extra level of health and consistant power to your car.
orrrrrrrrrrrrr you can just let it knock knock knock away
exactly what i'll be doing with my car very soon (adding meth to a standard map...not the last paragraph).