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      07-07-2011, 10:10 PM   #68

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Wiki?? WIKI????

Originally Posted by Tortfeasor 335xi View Post
You are assuming I think Mr. Boehner is a good leader. I do not. But then, I am not about to vote for him for president either. I do happen to agree with some of his positions on the debt limit. That is, I think it would be great to cut the federal budget and using the debt limit as a bargaining chip is a good way to accomplish this.

Also, you continue to point fingers at republican incompetence instead of dealing with Obama's or the debt limit discussions. Saying someone else is just as stupid does not make your man seem smarter. If anything it looks to me like you are conceding the point that Obama is as ineffective a leader of Mr. Boehner.

There are huge differences between what Clinton tried to pass in his health care reform bill and what Obama actually passed. Clinton wanted to pass universal health care, like what Europe and Canada have. Obama's bill simply requires you to buy insurance and gives incentives to businesses to cut your health care (in that the tax penalty is a lot less money than the cost of health care annually).

Here are the Wikis:

Also, passing economic stimulus is not really that impressive. Hell Bush passed two different forms of it. Not that either his or Obama's were at all effective, we are still at 9% unemployment.

What about DADT? Oh wait, its not effective until the President, the Secretary of Defense, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff certify that repeal will not harm military readiness, followed by a 60-day waiting period. It has taken an order from the judiciary to keep the military from enforcing it. What a victory! Don't believe me? Read the wiki:,_don%27t_tell

Again, I don't think Boehner is any better a leader than Obama. But then, as I said above, I am not about to vote for him for president in 2012 either. My statement was that Obama is a bad leader and a bad president. I stand by it. I never claimed Boehner is a good speaker of the house. Simply disliking one particular Democrat does not make me a promoter of some random Republican straw man you decide to choose. It also does not make Obama any better a president or leader.