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Originally Posted by jadeddjay
and the only fee you really need to pay is destination. everything else is crap.
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They may be crap, but the dealer *still* has to pay them. It's not dealer profit. BMW NA charges the dealer for the MACO (Marketing and Advertising Co Op) fee, as well as the training fee. These are part of the dealer's invoice price when they buy the car from BMW NA.
Believe me, you will stand a better chance of getting the best possible deal if the dealer realizes that you know your stuff. If you go in there ignorant of these things and start ranting about how these fees are BS, then you'll get little respect and no better deal.