man i feel so bad...
mix emotions, i dont know if i should look for the nearest bridge and jump off. lol, guys these wheels are absolutely not machine face. one day if theirs a chance check them out in person, the finish is actually Hand Brushed ( same exact proces as forge wheels. looks good in person. these are also available in 19 staggered.
either way thank you for your feed back good or bad they both help us out