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A freind emailed this to me today 1st time I ever saw it....made me chuckle.
I didn't know it had been posted before... Sorry, but it is pretty damn funny
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A freind emailed this to me today 1st time I ever saw it....made me chuckle.
I didn't know it had been posted before... Sorry, but it is pretty damn funny
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A freind emailed this to me today 1st time I ever saw it....made me chuckle.
I didn't know it had been posted before... Sorry, but it is pretty damn funny
Yeah, hilarious.
My question is, what makes you think those are democratic issues? When have democrats done those things?
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Looks like 3 childish Republicans (redundant) who think that candy is their candy (they earned it) when really they are also benefiting from social programs and hand-outs just like everyone else.
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Yeah, hilarious.
My question is, what makes you think those are democratic issues? When have democrats done those things?
Are you being facetious with your silly questions. Did you ever hear a conservative utter the words "Redistribution of Wealth"
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Are you being facetious with your silly questions. Did you ever hear a conservative utter the words "Redistribution of Wealth"
I hear conservatives say a lot of stupid things all the time, mostly regurgitating the propaganda feed from Fox news, which you guys all march to.

Truth is, most of these catch phrases are just vacuous bullshit, like "death panels", "rammed down our throats", "tax & spend", "weak on defense", and "anti-American".

Meanwhile, you purport to be for "personal freedom", as long as that means you're a pro-life pro-death penalty Christian. You're "pro-American", but really only for people who look like you. You're against "activist judges", but you're OK with rounding up a bunch of untried, unconvicted "terror suspects", and letting them rot for 10 years in a place that, through some legal loophole, is part of Cuba (which Americans were banned from) and therefore beyond any jurisdiction. You're nationalistic, except when it comes to made-up wars, and then it's OK to spend decades fighting for some enemy Muslim country's "freedom", and anyone who says otherwise is not a "real American".

You call healthcare reform "socialism", even though it actually requires individuals to pay INTO the system, and yet you're fine with the millions of conservatives who are getting medicare and social security from the government.

I'd like you to give me an actual example of Democrats "redistributing the wealth", keeping in mind that we've had a graduated tax system, social programs, and more for about 80 years now.

I support relief for the struggling middle class; I have no idea what you support, other than the propagation of divisive stereotypes.
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I hear conservatives say a lot of stupid things all the time, mostly regurgitating the propaganda feed from Fox news, which you guys all march to.

Truth is, most of these catch phrases are just vacuous bullshit, like "death panels", "rammed down our throats", "tax & spend", "weak on defense", and "anti-American".

Meanwhile, you purport to be for "personal freedom", as long as that means you're a pro-life pro-death penalty Christian. You're "pro-American", but really only for people who look like you. You're against "activist judges", but you're OK with rounding up a bunch of untried, unconvicted "terror suspects", and letting them rot for 10 years in a place that, through some legal loophole, is part of Cuba (which Americans were banned from) and therefore beyond any jurisdiction. You're nationalistic, except when it comes to made-up wars, and then it's OK to spend decades fighting for some enemy Muslim country's "freedom", and anyone who says otherwise is not a "real American".

You call healthcare reform "socialism", even though it actually requires individuals to pay INTO the system, and yet you're fine with the millions of conservatives who are getting medicare and social security from the government.

I'd like you to give me an actual example of Democrats "redistributing the wealth", keeping in mind that we've had a graduated tax system, social programs, and more for about 80 years now.

I support relief for the struggling middle class; I have no idea what you support, other than the propagation of divisive stereotypes.
The phrase "Redistribution of Wealth" has been utterd by all of the race baiting, class warfare promoting Liberals, from BHO, Biden, Pelosi, Reed...they all tout this crap. They know it's the only way they can get elected.
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The phrase "Redistribution of Wealth" has been utterd by all of the race baiting, class warfare promoting Liberals, from BHO, Biden, Pelosi, Reed...they all tout this crap. They know it's the only way they can get elected.
I'm getting a strong feeling that you are one of those way-off-the-deep-end undebateable types, and I'm really not interested in your less-than-objective opinion.

I'll ask this one more time only. I'd like you to give me an actual example of Democrats "redistributing the wealth", keeping in mind that we've had a graduated tax system, social programs, and more for about 80 years now.

And FYI, we elect Democrats because they are non-selfish, non-racist, non-hypocrytical realists, who represent the interests of most Americans. It's what educated people do.
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I'm getting a strong feeling that you are one of those way-off-the-deep-end undebateable types, and I'm really not interested in your less-than-objective opinion.

I'll ask this one more time only. I'd like you to give me an actual example of Democrats "redistributing the wealth", keeping in mind that we've had a graduated tax system, social programs, and more for about 80 years now.

And FYI, we elect Democrats because they are non-selfish, non-racist, non-hypocrytical realists, who represent the interests of most Americans. It's what educated people do.
I clearly stated twice that they have touted redistribution of wealth as an obvious ploy to create class envy. BHO is the most divisive president we ever had. One's level of education is not an indicator one one's intelligence.
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I clearly stated twice that they have touted redistribution of wealth as an obvious ploy to create class envy.
You can restate that till the cows come home, it's still just your misguided opinion. Evidently, you cannot respond to my request for an example of Democrats redistributing wealth. Do you not understand the distinction between that, and what you've been giving me? Your claim that they've said "redistribution of wealth" is not an example of redistribution of wealth. Oh, and your "obvious ploy" statement is 100% bullshit - you are clearly projecting what you think the other side is thinking, but you're completely off, which is no surprise, as you don't understand the other side.
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BHO is the most divisive president we ever had.
Oh come-on now, even YOU must realize that that's complete crap.
Let's see, has Obama...
- raised any taxes in 3 years, other than fed tobacco: NO
- introduced any tightening of gun control laws: NO
- closed Guantanomo: NO
- immediately pulled all troops out of Bush's wars: NO
- pushed for any kind of federal gay marriage law: NO
- increased any spending on social programs: NO
What we DO have is the most divisive far-right republican congress we've ever had - even the old GOP mainstream agrees.
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One's level of education is not an indicator one one's (?) intelligence.
So are you saying that the more educated a person is, the stupider they become?
This is clearly an instance where you're just regurgitating a politically-motivated opinion.

All of you right-wingers trying to debate in this forum keep making the same mistake; you act as if there's a tiny, crazy minority of people who disagree with you, when it's actually half the population. With few exceptions, most of our presidential elections are split right down the middle. So get a clue, and wise-up.
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You can restate that till the cows come home, it's still just your misguided opinion. Evidently, you cannot respond to my request for an example of Democrats redistributing wealth. Do you not understand the distinction between that, and what you've been giving me? Your claim that they've said "redistribution of wealth" is not an example of redistribution of wealth. Oh, and your "obvious ploy" statement is 100% bullshit - you are clearly projecting what you think the other side is thinking, but you're completely off, which is no surprise, as you don't understand the other side.
Oh come-on now, even YOU must realize that that's complete crap.
Let's see, has Obama...
- raised any taxes in 3 years, other than fed tobacco: NO
- introduced any tightening of gun control laws: NO
- closed Guantanomo: NO
- immediately pulled all troops out of Bush's wars: NO
- pushed for any kind of federal gay marriage law: NO
- increased any spending on social programs: NO
What we DO have is the most divisive far-right republican congress we've ever had - even the old GOP mainstream agrees.
So are you saying that the more educated a person is, the stupider they become?
This is clearly an instance where you're just regurgitating a politically-motivated opinion.

All of you right-wingers trying to debate in this forum keep making the same mistake; you act as if there's a tiny, crazy minority of people who disagree with you, when it's actually half the population. With few exceptions, most of our presidential elections are split right down the middle. So get a clue, and wise-up.
Exerpt from an Obama interview:

What should the Constitution say that the Federal government or State government do on the behalf on its citizens? Barack Obama suggests that one thing would be to redistribute wealth. "But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth,and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society." In the interview, Barack Obama suggests that, "I'm not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know, the institution just isn't structured that way." Presumably, at least at the time, Barack Obama preferred legislative approaches to the kind of changes, including redistribution of wealth, that he favors.
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You can restate that till the cows come home, it's still just your misguided opinion. Evidently, you cannot respond to my request for an example of Democrats redistributing wealth. Do you not understand the distinction between that, and what you've been giving me? Your claim that they've said "redistribution of wealth" is not an example of redistribution of wealth. Oh, and your "obvious ploy" statement is 100% bullshit - you are clearly projecting what you think the other side is thinking, but you're completely off, which is no surprise, as you don't understand the other side.
Oh come-on now, even YOU must realize that that's complete crap.
Let's see, has Obama...
- raised any taxes in 3 years, other than fed tobacco: NO
- introduced any tightening of gun control laws: NO
- closed Guantanomo: NO
- immediately pulled all troops out of Bush's wars: NO
- pushed for any kind of federal gay marriage law: NO
- increased any spending on social programs: NO
What we DO have is the most divisive far-right republican congress we've ever had - even the old GOP mainstream agrees.
So are you saying that the more educated a person is, the stupider they become?
This is clearly an instance where you're just regurgitating a politically-motivated opinion.

All of you right-wingers trying to debate in this forum keep making the same mistake; you act as if there's a tiny, crazy minority of people who disagree with you, when it's actually half the population. With few exceptions, most of our presidential elections are split right down the middle. So get a clue, and wise-up.
From 2/17/2008

Unnoticed by most Americans this week, the Obama/Hagel GLOBAL POVERTY ACT was quickly approved by a senate committee and cleared for the next step, debate in a democrat-controlled senate.
The GLOBAL POVERTY ACT is unique in its breathtaking scope. It is not foreign-aid. The Act will require the President and Congress to set aside .07% of the annual gross national product – our GNP – to be distributed around the globe to relieve poverty at a cost of about $800 billion dollars annually to taxpayers. It is Barack Obama’s response to the call of the Bali Global Warming Conference for a global carbon tax; a blatant redistribution of the planet’s wealth to the “powerless”.
Coupled with his riveting stump speeches which generate huge emotional reactions from his equally huge audiences – speeches which literally call for a redistribution of wealth right here at home as well – Barack Obama’s sponsorship of the GLOBAL POVERTY ACT gives us a chilling preview of an Obama presidency.
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I...yet you're fine with the millions of conservatives who are getting medicare and social security from the government.
No, I'm not. Both of these programs should be abolished as well.

I'm a fan of keeping the money you've earned through work, and not paying it out so someone else can benefit from it. I'd like to walk into the doctor's office if I am sick, and pay him directly for services rendered to me to diagnose or make me feel better.
What does that make me?
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Exerpt from an Obama interview:

What should the Constitution say that the Federal government or State government do on the behalf on its citizens? Barack Obama suggests that one thing would be to redistribute wealth. "But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth,and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society." In the interview, Barack Obama suggests that, "I'm not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know, the institution just isn't structured that way." Presumably, at least at the time, Barack Obama preferred legislative approaches to the kind of changes, including redistribution of wealth, that he favors.
This is pathetically depraved! It contains snippets of things Obama once said, interspersed with propaganda from the publisher of the article. This is not anything - it's not an example of anything other than propaganda from the right. You just don't understand when to stop debating a point when you have nothing.
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This is so deeply flawed, it's sickening.

From 2/17/2008 What does this have to do with Obama's presidency?

Unnoticed by most Americans this week, the Obama/Hagel GLOBAL POVERTY ACT was quickly approved by a senate committee and cleared for the next step, debate in a democrat-controlled senate. The bill was drafted by congressman Adam Smith, and was passed in the House, months before Obama had anything to do with it.
The GLOBAL POVERTY ACT is unique in its breathtaking scope. It is not foreign-aid. The Act will require the President and Congress to set aside .07% of the annual gross national product – our GNP – to be distributed around the globe to relieve poverty at a cost of about $800 billion dollars annually to taxpayers. It IS foreign humanitarian aid, and it was endorsed by Pres Bush. Plus the cost to the govt (not directly from taxpayers) is 23 - 98 billion, or about one-tenth of your figure.
It is Barack Obama’s response to the call of the Bali Global Warming Conference for a global carbon tax; a blatant redistribution of the planet’s wealth to the “powerless”. No, again it's humanitarian aid, and not drafted by Obama.
Coupled with his riveting stump speeches which generate huge emotional reactions from his equally huge audiences – speeches which literally call for a redistribution of wealth right here at home as well – Barack Obama’s sponsorship of the GLOBAL POVERTY ACT gives us a chilling preview of an Obama presidency. Propaganda from the publisher, and the bill got killed in the senate anyway. Just give up!
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No, I'm not. Both of these programs should be abolished as well.

I'm a fan of keeping the money you've earned through work, and not paying it out so someone else can benefit from it. I'd like to walk into the doctor's office if I am sick, and pay him directly for services rendered to me to diagnose or make me feel better.
What does that make me?
Misguided, I'd say. So were you posting your complaints about this when Bush was president? I'm guessing no. What in the world does this have to do with Obama?
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Misguided, I'd say. So were you posting your complaints about this when Bush was president? I'm guessing no. What in the world does this have to do with Obama?
Way to take what I said and not answer a single thing. Oh, except calling me misguided, but then just launching personal attacks and not giving a definitive reason why.

I never said it had anything to do with Obama, stop putting words into my mouth. I also rarely visit this part of the forums (for good reason, because there's a lot of hate and total brainwashing that goes on here), so I rarely ever post here. I'm not and never was a fan of Bush either. In fact I think he should go down in history as one of the worst for what he did to this country. Obama isn't exactly a shining beacon of hope either...

Why did you even bring Bush up? I never mentioned anything about him. Why is it that every time someone who posts something that isn't quite in line with a liberal democratic view, you have to invoke the name of Bush as if I think he is some sort of perfection? I don't understand this... Have you nothing else to base your arguments on? This isn't even about Bush, it's about a system that is flawed and is easily taken advantage of, and occurred WELL before Bush, and Bush senior were serving their terms. Welfare, Medicare, Social Security... All of it. EDIT: Just saw your age on your profile, so I won't speak for you... I'll just say that personally I have a problem with paying into a system where others will benefit but I likely will NOT. Those funds are not being used appropriately, and will probably be gone by the time I reach retirement age. That is why I have my own retirement plan, because I will not count on the government taking care of me...

How exactly am I misguided? Because I want my money for me and not anyone else? I wouldn't say misguided. I was expecting you to call me selfish.

FWIW, I donate to a variety of causes with the money I earn and am satisfied with that. I'm not satisfied with being forced to give money to the leeches of society, especially the ones in THIS country where everyone has the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

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Way to take what I said and not answer a single thing. Oh, except calling me misguided, but then just launching personal attacks and not giving a definitive reason why.

I never said it had anything to do with Obama, stop putting words into my mouth. I also rarely visit this part of the forums (for good reason, because there's a lot of hate and total brainwashing that goes on here), so I rarely ever post here. I'm not and never was a fan of Bush either. In fact I think he should go down in history as one of the worst for what he did to this country. Obama isn't exactly a shining beacon of hope either...

Why did you even bring Bush up? I never mentioned anything about him. Why is it that every time someone who posts something that isn't quite in line with a liberal democratic view, you have to invoke the name of Bush as if I think he is some sort of perfection? I don't understand this... Have you nothing else to base your arguments on? This isn't even about Bush, it's about a system that is flawed and is easily taken advantage of, and occurred WELL before Bush, and Bush senior were serving their terms. Welfare, Medicare, Social Security... All of it. EDIT: Just saw your age on your profile, so I won't speak for you... I'll just say that personally I have a problem with paying into a system where others will benefit but I likely will NOT. Those funds are not being used appropriately, and will probably be gone by the time I reach retirement age. That is why I have my own retirement plan, because I will not count on the government taking care of me...

How exactly am I misguided? Because I want my money for me and not anyone else? I wouldn't say misguided. I was expecting you to call me selfish.

FWIW, I donate to a variety of causes with the money I earn and am satisfied with that. I'm not satisfied with being forced to give money to the leeches of society, especially the ones in THIS country where everyone has the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
You probably shouldn't visit here if you can't follow what is going on in a thread, and then act all pissy when you get questioned about how your post relates to the post you responded to.


Social Security doesn't 100% go away if the surplus is ever spent down. Social Security will still have enough funding to pay roughly 80% of its obligations even if it isn't reformed. You've been sold a lie that you will get nothing. The only way that could happen would be if people like you acted as a self-fulfilling prophecy and did something stupid to kill it. With moderate reform, there is no reason why the system that has paid out 100% of its obligations for over 80 years AND generating a surplus, won't continue to do so long into the future.


If you want to pay cash to the doctor instead of having insurance, nothing is stopping you from doing it right now. Except that it would be the most idiotic thing you could do with your money, and you already know it. Because Health Insurance isn't just about having enough money to protect your health, it is also about having enough coverage to protect your wealth.

If you are wealthy enough to pay for a Multi-Million dollar major medical event out of your pocket, then you should be smart enough to protect yourself from losing millions of dollars by spending less than .02% of your wealth on health insurance to protect your millions. If you choose not to protect your millions with Health Insurance premiums that are a rounding error in your wealth, you are a fool from whom your wealth is soon parted.

If you are not wealthy enough to pay for a Multi-Million dollar major medical event out of your pocket, you are a Socialist. You are privatizing your profits, while socializing your risks. Because when you show up in the Emergency Room half-mangled from wrecking your 2011 BMW M3, it will be ME and everyone else paying your bill for you when you fail to pay it.

But since we all know you actually have health insurance (even though absolutely nobody is forcing you to have it) what you are is this:

An intellectually dishonest fraud.

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Way to take what I said and not answer a single thing. Oh, except calling me misguided, but then just launching personal attacks and not giving a definitive reason why.

I never said it had anything to do with Obama, stop putting words into my mouth. I also rarely visit this part of the forums (for good reason, because there's a lot of hate and total brainwashing that goes on here), so I rarely ever post here. I'm not and never was a fan of Bush either. In fact I think he should go down in history as one of the worst for what he did to this country. Obama isn't exactly a shining beacon of hope either...

Why did you even bring Bush up? I never mentioned anything about him. Why is it that every time someone who posts something that isn't quite in line with a liberal democratic view, you have to invoke the name of Bush as if I think he is some sort of perfection? I don't understand this... Have you nothing else to base your arguments on? This isn't even about Bush, it's about a system that is flawed and is easily taken advantage of, and occurred WELL before Bush, and Bush senior were serving their terms. Welfare, Medicare, Social Security... All of it. EDIT: Just saw your age on your profile, so I won't speak for you... I'll just say that personally I have a problem with paying into a system where others will benefit but I likely will NOT. Those funds are not being used appropriately, and will probably be gone by the time I reach retirement age. That is why I have my own retirement plan, because I will not count on the government taking care of me...

How exactly am I misguided? Because I want my money for me and not anyone else? I wouldn't say misguided. I was expecting you to call me selfish.

FWIW, I donate to a variety of causes with the money I earn and am satisfied with that. I'm not satisfied with being forced to give money to the leeches of society, especially the ones in THIS country where everyone has the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Easy there, fella! In case you haven't noticed, every thread in this forum has a theme of bashing Obama & democrats. So when you complain about a staple of American society (like it or not), the inference is that you're blaming the current admin for something that existed long before (during Bush and prior). That's all. And apparently, that's not what you were doing, but it begs the question: why bring it up in this thread?
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