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      11-14-2011, 10:15 AM   #1
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Question DSC intervention

How hard do you drive your car? I'm thinking, I probably don't drive mine that hard. I don't think I have ever had the DSC light up. I've had the traction control come on regularly, but never the stability control.

Well maybe once when on a dirt road and I tried to make the DSC intervene, but I've never been driving along and it's gone off.

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      11-14-2011, 10:17 AM   #2
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The dashboard light when either acts is the same.
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      11-14-2011, 10:20 AM   #3
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The dashboard light when either acts is the same.
Yes, but if you see it light up when planting the accelerator then you know it is traction control.
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I've never seen the light come on when the throttle is closed.
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Being a 30d, it isn't difficult to get DSC to intervene despite the fat 255's at the back. It intervened during a J-Turn, wet roundabouts and dry ones when going for it and yes it has appeared off-throttle during understeer in the snow. The throttle was then stabbed to get the back out instead and was beautifully caught by both driver and DSC.
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Yes, but if you see it light up when planting the accelerator then you know it is traction control.
They're very much integrated features.

Basically in anything other than a straight line it will most likely be stability cutting in too, even in a straight line the stability may cut in as the back steps out when traction is lost.

It's very difficult to tell on borderline activations.

Try accelerating on a roundabout, give it some beans with a bit of lock on, that will 100% be stability keeping you from firing backwards into the nearest armco / hegde / ditch. You can feel the car do odd things and just keep going straighish in an odd understeery sensation as it brakes wheels etc.

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Found it a pain in the arse personally. Left it completely off in the end constantly.

Just a hindrance.
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      11-14-2011, 01:34 PM   #8
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Found it a pain in the arse personally. Left it completely off in the end constantly.

Just a hindrance.
Should come with a disclaimer, dont try this at home folks (unless you know what your doing)
End up sticking dtc on mine when in the mood, helps as I find running over drain covers and other poor surfaces fools it into acting and Im left dangerously sometimes with no power.
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      11-14-2011, 03:40 PM   #9
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Always drive with it completely off.

My past involved fine tuning my driving skill professionally..
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      11-14-2011, 03:41 PM   #10
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Your right. I should have said that please "do not try this at home".

Generally speaking it's a great tool and it's saved a lot of lives.
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Generally speaking it's a great tool and it's saved a lot of lives.
I thought that was the issue?
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It is for good drivers. General numpty drivers however it does help them.
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I have a great tool that makes lives.
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Always drive with it completely off.

My past involved fine tuning my driving skill professionally..
No matter what your level of expertise

you cannot brake individual wheels like the stability management software

so there is no point in not using it on a road car
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No matter what your level of expertise
you cannot brake individual wheels like the stability management software
so there is no point in not using it on a road car
But you shouldn't have to mate, to drive these cars quickly you do
Need it OFF.

If the car wants to start going sideways, I'd rather have the input on getting it correct than DSC which Just slows the car down no matter what and with no other input. This makes the car (which is obviously travelling beyond it's traction capabilities already) push on wide and end up in the hedge anyhow if your already breaking the laws of physics.
I'd rather use my own feet and hands!

Just my opinion. I did find the car not only MUCH faster without it, but also far more manageable when traction was lost with it fully disabled.

The car is far more predictable with it off.
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Surely you have "tried" coming out of a bend hard with it on. The car is completely strangled. Until you hit the straight and the wheel is centre. Which then the car reworded hard. It really does not like and wheel slip. It's far to sensitive.
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If the car wants to start going sideways, I'd rather have the input on getting it correct than DSC which Just slows the car down no matter what and with no other input. This makes the car (which is obviously travelling beyond it's traction capabilities already) push on wide and end up in the hedge anyhow if your already breaking the laws of physics.
I'd rather use my own feet and hands!
I think one of the most common types of accident which DSC helps prevent is when the nearside wheel ends up in a dirt shoulder, or puddle or whatever and has a lot more drag and/or a lot less traction than the offside wheels.

Driver overcorrects to offside, crosses centre line *BAM*
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I'm sure it does mate.
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Surely you have "tried" coming out of a bend hard with it on. The car is completely strangled. Until you hit the straight and the wheel is centre. Which then the car reworded hard. It really does not like and wheel slip. It's far to sensitive.
I dont find this at all.
But then my chassis is well sorted and the Quaiffe helps too.
In fact I found that on track I rarely have any DSC activations.
And I'm not a slow driver on a circuit.
Perhaps it's just down to being able to feel for grip better - riding big bikes teaches one this lesson quickly
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Mate your have confused what i meant. I don't have it on. I don't get interventions. I was saying if you drove hard on track with it on it does intervene and hinders the car.

The Quaife makes a massive difference.

Your not the only one with a great feel for grip

If you have DSC not fully disabled on track I find that very strange, surely you do?! (have it fully disabled)
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Found it a pain in the arse personally. Left it completely off in the end constantly.

Just a hindrance.
+100%, Turned completely off everytime I get in the car ! (pisses me off that default setting cannot be off).

Saves Rear Pads and brake dust covered wheels as well.

Also improves throttle response.

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+100%, Turned completely off everytime I get in the car ! (pisses me off that default setting cannot be off).
Just wondering aloud here; if I had an accident and the insurance company could prove I'd switched DSC off (yeah OK, "how would they know?", but humour me please)......would that affect my claim? Could it mean the accident was deemed my fault not the other driver? And might I be open to prosecution for driving without due care?

Point being, intentionally disabling a safety feature - does that expose you to the above consequences? Anyone know?

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