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      12-08-2005, 09:02 AM   #67
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Too bad that California regs prevent the intro of the current BMW turbo diesels to NA. It would seem more likely that the intro of a gas turbo to NA will occur first. In any event, here's more evidence that BMW has a higher performance E90 model in the works.
I wonder if that will change with the introduction of low sulphur diesel.

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      12-08-2005, 10:12 AM   #68
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Its too bad one state's overzealous regulations ruin things for others.
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      12-08-2005, 10:43 AM   #69
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Its too bad one state's overzealous regulations ruin things for others.
I'm pretty sure there are 10 states that use Calif regs. Also, have you not seen the smog in Ca?
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      12-08-2005, 11:45 AM   #70
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Noflash is right, other than Cali, most NE US states follow, including NY, NJ, New England, all in all encompassing a good portion of US population concentration.
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      12-08-2005, 03:02 PM   #71
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I know, it was a stupid comment, and I withdraw it. Just disappointed when we do not get the same engines Europe gets.
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      12-08-2005, 03:24 PM   #72
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Agreed on the engine issue. Even though i am not a big turbo fan, just give me the R6 with more power (direct injection and software).
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      12-08-2005, 06:20 PM   #73
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Isnt It due in 12 months ? I read a few Roundels ago BMW would join Honda in a Turbo Diesel for N/A
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      12-08-2005, 09:33 PM   #74
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Yeah, but probably just in the SAVs. It would be stunning if they released the 335d and 320d here. What a dramatic wake-up call to the rest of the industry. I understand the conservative nature of the BMW AG corporate philosophy, but it seems like a no-brainer, a huge publicity coup if not a big money maker initially.
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      12-09-2005, 12:43 AM   #75
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Whats crazy is there are being built in SC right now But you cant buy one....GGrr
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      12-09-2005, 11:59 AM   #76
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Yeah, but probably just in the SAVs. It would be stunning if they released the 335d and 320d here. What a dramatic wake-up call to the rest of the industry. I understand the conservative nature of the BMW AG corporate philosophy, but it seems like a no-brainer, a huge publicity coup if not a big money maker initially.

That may change when sulfur content requirements are phased in NA. Then BMW can sell here their wonderfull diesels with the particle emission filters.

If they do, it would make sense to have those engines in the X familly. However, if they price the diesels in the stratosphere, like VW did with its V10 diesel, no one will buy one.
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      12-09-2005, 02:04 PM   #77
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I would assume the same price structure as in Euro land, basically 1-2k more for equivalent diesel models.
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      12-09-2005, 08:34 PM   #78
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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      12-09-2005, 08:55 PM   #79
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Deception is a forced perception.

There will be NO 3.5L I6 NA engine. 100% sure.

335(C)i will feature a 3.0L I6 2-stage turbo petrol engine. At least in non-US markets.

BMW AG marketing have still not decided whether to offer I6 turbo engine in US market. Decision will be made in early 2006. BMW NA have no official confirmation from BMW AG Munich yet what US market will get. All current BMW NA info are just pure speculations.

The current I6 NA engines will be upgraded in 2006 (328i).
If the turbo comes to US there is a slightly possibility it will come in a detuned version, but still badged 335i.
An upgraded 3.0L I6 NA engine can be also badged 335i (a possibility - not yet decided) if BMW decide not to bring turbo to US at this stage.

Next week: more news about 3er coupe and I6 turbo.

As I have said... since the very beginning... long before the land of TINE... BMW had successfully developed and was planning to bring a Twin Sequential Gas Turbo (based on the hugely successful diesel) to the US market. It was going to sit nicely between the 330i and the M3 as a sort of ZHP on steroids with 330-340hp.

Things changed.

I have agreed all along that the Euro market was likely to still get the Turbo.

BUT NOT THE US MARKET.

Sorry, but your sources don't seem to know the US market. Could BMW change their minds? Sure... anything is possible. But right now the inside word is 3.5L NA engine in the 335i/Ci (310hp) with a slightly tuned 3.0L in the 328i/Ci (235hp) and the M3 with a 4.0L V8 (407hp) w/ 7spd SMG (been saying that since the M5)

Coupe will start production first as an early MY07 in June... with the sedan following in Sept.

We will get a Turbo for MY07... in the X3/X5 3.0di... and that is all.

This is the inside word for BMW of NA.

You can disagree all you like, we will see soon enough what the deal is.
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speedfreak- when are they going to make an announcement on the 335ci... i cant wait any longer
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      12-10-2005, 01:35 AM   #81
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So a X Diesel would hit the streets here when ?
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      12-10-2005, 02:18 AM   #82
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speedfreak, you're not the end to all things.
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      12-10-2005, 02:42 AM   #83
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You seem to be rather confident that what SpeedFreak! has been saying is wrong. If that's the case, can you provide any kind of info or are you just going to keep it to yourself?
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      12-10-2005, 03:09 AM   #84
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      12-10-2005, 03:47 AM   #85
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Once agaain: There will certainly be NO 3.5L I6 NA engine!

335(C)i will feature either turbo engine (in Europe for sure) or just uptuned / upgraded 3.0L NA I6 (there's still a slight possibility US market could get that).

3.5L I6 NA engine is a HOAX!


By the way: a guy from Roadfly MsgBoards claims the source from BMW NA assured him 335(C)i will be a turbo:

http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e90/7265998-1.html

Now tell me, are the people at BMW NA schizophrenic or they just do know nothing - yet?

As I said before BMW AG is still to decide (in early 2006) what to bring to US market at this stage: a turbo or just an upgraded / uptuned 3.0L I6 NA engine.

Speed, there is one HUGE counterargument against you and your source: there hasn't been any 3.5L I6 Na engine developed nor it is not in development at BMW. I know that for sure. Trust me.
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      12-10-2005, 08:43 AM   #86
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I would be extremely surprised, indeed shocked, to see a 3.5 litre N52 variant. I would disappointed in the extreme if BMW NA does not trust the USA market to welcome the new turbo technology. And diesels, as soon as we get the proper fuel available. Look at the image boost Toyota has gotten from the hybrid. They are seen as a technology leader now, instead of a stodgy manufacturer of reliable boring vehicles. I bet they sell a lot more corollas and camrys because of the prius.
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      12-10-2005, 08:59 AM   #87
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I say we keep this thread going till mid-summer 2006, and just like the weather forecasters in Chicago, at some point, someone will be right.

It would seem that BMW has done a good job at getting our attention.
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