[NYCGP]

Hmmm... Someone help me out here.. He keeps talking about spending more money.. I thought we were trying to cut our deficit...?

[ghosthi32]

all i hear is "nobody knows what to do"

[xbook]

I thought that was a good speech. Reinforcing that there are no troops currently in Iraq was nice to hear, as was that there is no longer a threat from Bin Laden hanging over our country.

Now the legislative branch needs to stop bickering and give him some bills to pass.

[puciorek]

Originally Posted by xbook

I thought that was a good speech. Reinforcing that there are no troops currently in Iraq was nice to hear, as was that there is no longer a threat from Bin Laden hanging over our country.

Now the legislative branch needs to stop bickering and give him some bills to pass.

good speech, I watched it while drinking some strong imported beer.
made me feel little bit better...I'm sure Mr. Bohner felt the same way as me.

[Templar]

I was disappointed to say the least.

I expected at least one burst of song to come from his lips....

[E90SoFlo]

Why do they all stand up and clap over nothing, repeating this every 35-40 seconds.. Its like catholic church almost.

[puciorek]

"Frankly", I was hoping for some "YOU LIE!!!" moments....

[OldArmy]

You'd think there was no national debt whatsoever. I'm sure glad, he musta fixed that when we weren't looking, being a magical being and all. I sure thought it was gonna be a big deal come fall.

[xbook]

Funny that you say that Old Army. The rebuttal from your beloved GOP was from none other than Mitch Daniels. You remember him, under his leadership as head of The Office of Management and Budget, the federal budget went from a $236 Billion surplus to a $400 Billion deficit in just 2 years.

He's also the genius that said the Iraq war would only cost us $60 Billion.

The GOP may not dig the policies of the Dems, and particularly they do NOT like President Obama's policies and ideas. But at least you guys could put forward some candidates or politicians that aren't abject failures with your policies.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by xbook

Funny that you say that Old Army. The rebuttal from your beloved GOP was from none other than Mitch Daniels. You remember him, under his leadership as head of The Office of Management and Budget, the federal budget went from a $236 Billion surplus to a $400 Billion deficit in just 2 years.

He's also the genius that said the Iraq war would only cost us $60 Billion.

The GOP may not dig the policies of the Dems, and particularly they do NOT like President Obama's policies and ideas. But at least you guys could put forward some candidates or politicians that aren't abject failures with your policies.

Like the people really have control over that?

Do you see who they have to choose between?

[NYCGP]

Originally Posted by xbook

Funny that you say that Old Army. The rebuttal from your beloved GOP was from none other than Mitch Daniels. You remember him, under his leadership as head of The Office of Management and Budget, the federal budget went from a $236 Billion surplus to a $400 Billion deficit in just 2 years.

He's also the genius that said the Iraq war would only cost us $60 Billion.

The GOP may not dig the policies of the Dems, and particularly they do NOT like President Obama's policies and ideas. But at least you guys could put forward some candidates or politicians that aren't abject failures with your policies.

GOP is in disarray... it is not a mystery. Far too many old men hanging on to their seats with completely backward and outdated beliefs. The world is advancing at a rate beyond what politicians are capable of keeping up with.

In all honesty, the Dems are pretty split in their opinions as well. It is becoming more and more apparent that the likely hood of our country finding a president that represents the future of this nation may never happen. Very sad...

I don't have favorable opinions of any of the Republican Party's candidates. I also don't have a favorable opinion of Obama. What I like the least is the common democrat voter's need to support our president blindly. I also don't like the common republican voter's need to bash our president ignorantly.

We should hold our politicians to a higher standard. We should hold our president to a higher standard.

[OldArmy]

Originally Posted by xbook

But at least you guys could put forward some candidates or politicians that aren't abject failures with your policies.

Following, of course, the democrat party's good historical example with nobama?

[ghosthi32]

Originally Posted by NYCGP

GOP is in disarray... it is not a mystery. Far too many old men hanging on to their seats with completely backward and outdated beliefs. The world is advancing at a rate beyond what politicians are capable of keeping up with.

In all honesty, the Dems are pretty split in their opinions as well. It is becoming more and more apparent that the likely hood of our country finding a president that represents the future of this nation may never happen. Very sad...

I don't have favorable opinions of any of the Republican Party's candidates. I also don't have a favorable opinion of Obama. What I like the least is the common democrat voter's need to support our president blindly. I also don't like the common republican voter's need to bash our president ignorantly.

We should hold our politicians to a higher standard. We should hold our president to a higher standard.

i agree completely

[txz4]

Originally Posted by OldArmy

Following, of course, the democrat party's good historical example with nobama?

lol

[S1000RR Drag Racer]

I'm retired from the US Army. Obama inherited a real mess. It did not matter who won in 2008 Obama or McCain, because we would still be digging ourselves out of this mess and everyone would still be pissed off. Fighting on two fronts, borrowing money from China for seven years, and not paying attention to our economy for eight years is reallity. It is going to take time, but bullshit promises every four years and both Democrats and Republicans refusing to do what is right for the country instead of their own egos will never fix the problems.

[txz4]

Originally Posted by S1000RR Drag Racer

I'm retired from the US Army. Obama inherited a real mess. It did not matter who won in 2008 Obama or McCain, because we would still be digging ourselves out of this mess and everyone would still be pissed off. Fighting on two fronts, borrowing money from China for seven years, and not paying attention to our economy for eight years is reallity. It is going to take time, but bullshit promises every four years and both Democrats and Republicans refusing to do what is right for the country instead of their own egos will never fix the problems.

Bad economy?

no problem. Were just going to pass legislation to further put a negative outlook on businesses that arent doing that well due to the recession.


we have a spending problem.... simple as that. We push the wellfare state, we want everyone to live the American dream (white picket fence) and then say, "oh it wasnt our fault all of these people defaulted on loans they couldnt afford (but were allowed to be given by legislation and more over using "private firms" to further push this agenda)


No doubt Obama inherited a problem by spend happy Bush, but spending more on silliness, passing harmful legislation, and not admitting that congress was liberal during some of that time is just plain selective hindsight.

[xbook]

Originally Posted by txz4

Bad economy?
we have a spending problem.... simple as that. We push the wellfare state, we want everyone to live the American dream (white picket fence) and then say, "oh it wasnt our fault all of these people defaulted on loans they couldnt afford (but were allowed to be given by legislation and more over using "private firms" to further push this agenda)

No, we have in income problem. There isn't enough revenue coming in.

Imagine if you and your wife are both working, you both bring home $75k a year each. Your total yearly income would be $150k. Now when your wife loses her job, you'll be down to $75k per year. Now, do you just tighten the belt and cut your expenses by 50%, or does your wife go out and get another job? You still have the same mortgage you did when you were pulling in $150k, do you move? You have the same cars, do you sell them? No, you get another job and keep on bringing in revenue.

Currently the Bush era tax cut are some of the largest hits to our budget in the US. If we make the tax cuts permanent it's like a $3 trillion hit to our budget over 10 years. Maybe we need to stop giving out tax breaks to those that do not have to have them right now. As one report I read stated, the Bush Era Tax Cuts cost $400 Billion just in servicing the debt it created. And the Tax cuts themselves have accounted for almost 50% of our national debt over the past 10 years.

If you recall, the Bush era tax cuts came as a response to the surplus that was left over after 8 years of President Clinton.

More info can be found here:
Bush Era Tax Cuts

[Templar]

Originally Posted by xbook

No, we have in income problem. There isn't enough revenue coming in.

Imagine if you and your wife are both working, you both bring home $75k a year each. Your total yearly income would be $150k. Now when your wife loses her job, you'll be down to $75k per year. Now, do you just tighten the belt and cut your expenses by 50%, or does your wife go out and get another job? You still have the same mortgage you did when you were pulling in $150k, do you move? You have the same cars, do you sell them? No, you get another job and keep on bringing in revenue.

Currently the Bush era tax cut are some of the largest hits to our budget in the US. If we make the tax cuts permanent it's like a $3 trillion hit to our budget over 10 years. Maybe we need to stop giving out tax breaks to those that do not have to have them right now. As one report I read stated, the Bush Era Tax Cuts cost $400 Billion just in servicing the debt it created. And the Tax cuts themselves have accounted for almost 50% of our national debt over the past 10 years.

If you recall, the Bush era tax cuts came as a response to the surplus that was left over after 8 years of President Clinton.

More info can be found here:
Bush Era Tax Cuts

So you think the amount the DoD has been spending the last ~10 years is totally legitimate and justified?

[ideliver]

oh lawd...here we go again....plain and simple...if we taxed all income at 100% over $250,000/yr...we still have a deficit

we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem...

Also, if you raise taxes on CG to 30% you will see the stock market implode as hedge funds run for the hills for more tax efficient investments...and you will see everyday citizens 401k and pensions take a HUGE hit...

Try to "soak the rich" you end up fcuking everyday people...

Also, when CG was cut to 15%....the tax revenue increased....care to hazzard a guess why???

[NYCGP]

Originally Posted by ideliver

Also, when CG was cut to 15%....the tax revenue increased....care to hazzard a guess why???

Ohh!! Me!! Pick me!! Pick me!!

[ideliver]

Originally Posted by NYCGP

Ohh!! Me!! Pick me!! Pick me!!

haha...you alreadey earned your "A"

[txz4]

Originally Posted by ideliver

oh lawd...here we go again....plain and simple...if we taxed all income at 100% over $250,000/yr...we still have a deficit

we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem...

Also, if you raise taxes on CG to 30% you will see the stock market implode as hedge funds run for the hills for more tax efficient investments...and you will see everyday citizens 401k and pensions take a HUGE hit...

Try to "soak the rich" you end up fcuking everyday people...

Also, when CG was cut to 15%....the tax revenue increased....care to hazzard a guess why???

EXACTLY!! Lets also not forget how the tax system breaks down, Something like 47% of Americans pay 0% effective in taxes... Wait a minute i guess that guy was right, maybe we do have an income problem