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      02-08-2012, 07:27 PM   #1
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Smile 500whp/505lb-ft Vishnu Procede/PWM Meth/Turbo Dynamics Turbos

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Just got some dyno results sent from our friend Brady at Dyno Doc in Quebec (www.dynodoc.ca). Thought some may find it interesting. The car is a 6MT 335 running FBO with Turbo Dynamics Stage 2 upgraded turbos. It is also running Procede Rev3 with current 11-25 Aggressive maps (6MT Upgraded turbo map) on pump gas with our PWM Meth kit. On this Dynpack hub dyno, stock cars make ~265whp which is slightly less than on most typical Dynojets. Shown are two consecutive runs just before calling it quits. Running the default setting of 65% boost/0% IC (on meth), the car put down ~480whp. Brady then gradually bumped the boost setting while monitoring ignition advance logs at each step. At 90% boost, it made just over 500whp. At peak of 18.5-19psi@5700rpm (see boost log below). AFR is solid as well. The car is making great power (probably over 510whp on dynojet) and I think everyone is happy where it is at the moment. If anyone in Quebec is looking for a good tuner, definitely visit Brady at Dynodoc

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WHP and TQ:
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Holy shit!!! Damn Shiv, that is badass
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HoLY SHIT! (too)...

Great power but $6,200 for a pair of stage 1 turbo???

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HoLY SHIT! (too)...

Great power but $6,200 for a pair of stage 1 turbo???

^ is that Canadian or US $$$'s
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They're the same kind of thing as RB's, just a lot more expensive - that's why not many people have them. Stage 1 are like the EPL/Helix/etc turbos, Stage 2 are like RB/ASR.
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Is this the PWM with 4 nozzles or 2? Wow. Serious numbers for pump + meth. Looks great.
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If comparable to RB's mechanically, what differences are there to achieve these numbers? Just tuning and methanol setup?
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Is this the PWM with 4 nozzles or 2? Wow. Serious numbers for pump + meth. Looks great.
Yes, just the standard PWM meth kit with 2 nozzles. On top of the 94oct they get in Canada. A few months back it ran a PPS meth kit with very similar mapping and made 480whp on the same dyno:



These results are pretty standard for upgraded turbos. Running nearly 20psi on ASR turbos, my car put down 518whp on a dynojet on race gas+meth. And ananomouse's car put down nearly 480whp (same dynojet) on 91oct plus meth with a stock exhaust running just 17psi of boost.

I'd say that 520-530whp is the upper limit for RB/ASR/TD turbos. Making 500+whp is pretty easy assuming no other mechanical issues (miscoded injectors, bad plugs/coils/etc,.)

http://www.procedetuning.com/BMW/n54/dyno/dyno.html

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I thought at first this thread would be about the single... reading title fail.

Great results though!
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excellent results... that should be a monster, is there any way to fine tune or retune to lose 100 or so lb-ft of TQ? I think 500 HP and 400 LB-FT of TQ would be perfect... I only say this due to traction issues.

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excellent results... that should be a monster, is there any way to fine tune or retune to lose 100 or so lb-ft of TQ? I think 500 HP and 400 LB-FT of TQ would be perfect... I only say this due to traction issues.

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Only way is to slowly introduce the boost at a certain rpm and then make it come quicker at later rpm (like a boost controller) but then ull get lag and make less whp n tq by the time u hit red line. Remember HP doesnt win races.. tq wins races. Its all about the driver and how much of a lead foot he has to deal with traction.

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Only way is to slowly introduce the boost at a curtain rpm and then make it come quicker at later rpm but then ull get lag and make less whp n tq by the time u hit red line. Remember HP doesnt win races.. tq wins races. Its all about the driver and how much of a lead foot he has.
That's enough for me to know to not take you seriously.

The gentlemen who said that was also wrong (enzo ferrari).
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I think horsepower has still a lot to do with winning races. If you are talking about light to light or 1/4 mile then yes but if you are talking about 80-150+, horsepower is where it's at.
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Only way is to slowly introduce the boost at a curtain rpm and then make it come quicker at later rpm but then ull get lag and make less whp n tq by the time u hit red line. Remember HP doesnt win races.. tq wins races. Its all about the driver and how much of a lead foot he has.
That's enough for me to know to not take you seriously.

The gentlemen who said that was also wrong (enzo ferrari).
Damn!! Beat me to it, well played sir, well played
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I'm really shock at the afr n how solid it is at wot. How come all of the upgraded Turbo dynos I have seen show a lot of leaning out up top? And those that are OK have to tapper their boost from 2x down to 17psi but this one is constant around 18-19psi? What was different about this setup...was the dme altered to allow better afr control and this run was on pump gas and not race gas?

I would love to see this car on a dynojet since dynopak usually makes about 10-15%more than the usual dynojet.
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This makes me excited
My car has pretty much same mods except that I have RB's and an LSD. Should come out of the shop any day now.
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Pretty sweet numbers!

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