E90Post
 


ECS BMW
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > NA Engine (non-turbo) / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications > E90 330i AA Stage 2 Tune - Review



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-27-2012, 09:12 PM   #1
Volasko
Major
 
Volasko's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 E90 330i BSM 6MT ZSP
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 1,081
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
E90 330i AA Stage 2 Tune - Review (Update Dyno Included!)

If you have been following the "*Official* Active Autowerke Flash Thread" (http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634855) you already know there are a lot of questions regarding the gains from the N52 Stage 2 version of the AA tune. Being someone who already had the original version of the AA tune, I was very excited to hear AA has tweaked its original offering. To my understanding they found a way to play with the valve timing in the VANOS software to give you a more aggressive cam profile. Initial reviews were positive with claims of another 5-8 HP over the original tune. I couldn't wait any more and called up Jon at Bimmersport.ca (local GTA AA dealer) and setup a time to re flash my car. Using advice from MaximusJ I also had Jon clear my adaptations. I have run half a tank of aggressive driving through my car and I am here to say I am happy with the results.

Initial impressions were subtle with improvements being more noticeable at the top end. As I neared 300 km on the new tune I felt the "sweet spot" widen on the power band between 5-7k rpm. It really feels like the engine has more power on the top end to the point of a surging like feel when the needle gets up there. The initial claims of 5-8 hp didn't feel too far from the truth using my super accurate butt dyno

The "dead" spot from 3500-4500 I had before seems to be eliminated also! This improvement combined with the more aggressive throttle response, the 155mph limiter removal and the few hundred RPM added to the redline make this a no brainier for anyone with a 330i (or 325/328 with a 3 stage intake manifold). I just wanted to share my experience with the E90 community and hopefully we get a more comprehensive dyno from AA?!?!

Apr 23rd Update:
Added dyno pull and videos!



Attached Images
File Type: pdf Dyno Pull.pdf (1.20 MB, 543 views)

Last edited by Volasko; 04-23-2012 at 10:06 PM.
Volasko is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-27-2012, 10:15 PM   #2
SlowAsHell
Private First Class
 
Drives: on the shoulder
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NJ

Posts: 162
iTrader: (0)

Nice..I'm thinking about getting this. Do you think it's worth the money?
SlowAsHell is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-28-2012, 12:27 AM   #3
RazRokz.!
Lieutenant
 
RazRokz.!'s Avatar
 
Drives: 07 JET BLACK BMW 328i
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: BELGIUM

Posts: 541
iTrader: (0)

Do you have a 3 stage on your car?
__________________
l-2007 Jet Black E90-l-Heated Seats-l-Injen Short Ram Intake-l-Kicker Audio-l-Tablet Pc Integration-l-19" Avant Garde M310-l-Falken 452-l-Depo Projectors-l-Depo Blacklines-l-M3 Replica Front Bumper-l-Canbus HID Headlights & Foglights-l-20% Tint All Around-l
RazRokz.! is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-28-2012, 04:01 AM   #4
spacemonkey1112
Captain
 
spacemonkey1112's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i AW
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 818, CA

Posts: 959
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to spacemonkey1112
Quote:
Originally Posted by RazRokz.! View Post
Do you have a 3 stage on your car?
HAHA dude he has a 330. people buy a 3 stage manifold so somewhat convert their car into a 330
__________________
2006 E90 325i | Sports Package | 6MT | 3IM | PE | AA |
spacemonkey1112 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-28-2012, 01:07 PM   #5
SV Concepts II
 
SV Concepts II's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 1460 White Oaks Rd. Suite F Campbell, CA 95008

Posts: 6,095
iTrader: (7)

Nice review
SV Concepts II is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-28-2012, 03:26 PM   #6
arctic330i
Lieutenant Colonel
 
arctic330i's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 335is
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Gainesville, Fl

Posts: 1,920
iTrader: (8)

Garage List
Agree with everything, drove a stock 330i today and it felt anemic compared to this tune.
__________________
See my full mod list in my garage
arctic330i is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-28-2012, 08:05 PM   #7
RazRokz.!
Lieutenant
 
RazRokz.!'s Avatar
 
Drives: 07 JET BLACK BMW 328i
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: BELGIUM

Posts: 541
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by spacemonkey1112 View Post
HAHA dude he has a 330. people buy a 3 stage manifold so somewhat convert their car into a 330
Damn, cant believe I missed that. lolz
__________________
l-2007 Jet Black E90-l-Heated Seats-l-Injen Short Ram Intake-l-Kicker Audio-l-Tablet Pc Integration-l-19" Avant Garde M310-l-Falken 452-l-Depo Projectors-l-Depo Blacklines-l-M3 Replica Front Bumper-l-Canbus HID Headlights & Foglights-l-20% Tint All Around-l
RazRokz.! is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-28-2012, 08:59 PM   #8
spacemonkey1112
Captain
 
spacemonkey1112's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i AW
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 818, CA

Posts: 959
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to spacemonkey1112
Quote:
Originally Posted by RazRokz.! View Post
Damn, cant believe I missed that. lolz
haha its all good ^_^

I think its cause there is all this talk about 3 stage manifold that we think of it almost as an after market mod =P but that ish is a golden OEM part! =P
__________________
2006 E90 325i | Sports Package | 6MT | 3IM | PE | AA |
spacemonkey1112 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-28-2012, 11:00 PM   #9
Volasko
Major
 
Volasko's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 E90 330i BSM 6MT ZSP
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 1,081
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowAsHell View Post
Nice..I'm thinking about getting this. Do you think it's worth the money?
Absolutely!! How else can you get 15ish HP for a few hundred bucks?!?
Volasko is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-28-2012, 11:21 PM   #10
SlowAsHell
Private First Class
 
Drives: on the shoulder
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NJ

Posts: 162
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Volasko View Post
Absolutely!! How else can you get 15ish HP for a few hundred bucks?!?
15ish hp? If this is true then I will certainly be getting this. Sorry if this is a stupid question but what is a Butt dyno? Do you think the tune alone produced this type of number or do you think the performance exhaust helped?
SlowAsHell is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 01:11 PM   #11
darkrom
Major
 
darkrom's Avatar
 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: North Shore MA

Posts: 1,354
iTrader: (3)

Butt dyno is the power difference you feel in your seat as you bang through the gears haha.
darkrom is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 01:43 PM   #12
Volasko
Major
 
Volasko's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 E90 330i BSM 6MT ZSP
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 1,081
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowAsHell View Post
15ish hp? If this is true then I will certainly be getting this. Sorry if this is a stupid question but what is a Butt dyno? Do you think the tune alone produced this type of number or do you think the performance exhaust helped?
The PE is just for that sweet sound and doesn't really add any noticeable power.
Volasko is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-29-2012, 07:02 PM   #13
SlowAsHell
Private First Class
 
Drives: on the shoulder
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NJ

Posts: 162
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkrom View Post
Butt dyno is the power difference you feel in your seat as you bang through the gears haha.
Interesting lol
SlowAsHell is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 05:29 AM   #14
spacemonkey1112
Captain
 
spacemonkey1112's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i AW
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 818, CA

Posts: 959
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to spacemonkey1112
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-13...-e9x-325i.aspx

Turner Motorsport seems to have a more custom tune for 325 guys w/ the manifold swap (and also takes into consideration if you have headers, exhaust, and intake)

Does anyone know how AA's stage 2 compares to this (funny how turner's tune is also labeled stage 2 for those with the manifold swap)
__________________
2006 E90 325i | Sports Package | 6MT | 3IM | PE | AA |
spacemonkey1112 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 07:24 AM   #15
MaximusJ
Colonel
 
MaximusJ's Avatar
 
Drives: 325i 2006
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Quebec, Canada

Posts: 2,122
iTrader: (19)

Garage List
'06 E90  [3.72]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Volasko View Post
The PE is just for that sweet sound and doesn't really add any noticeable power.
I disagree. I agree that it doesnt gives a lot; but still gives a couple ponies.

With a proper intake and 2nd cats deleted, I would bet that those new lungs gives a good 10 whp.
MaximusJ is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 10:16 AM   #16
jwise36
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2011 e90 328i X drive
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: toronto

Posts: 261
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Volasko View Post
If you have been following the "*Official* Active Autowerke Flash Thread" (http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634855) you already know there are a lot of questions regarding the gains from the N52 Stage 2 version of the AA tune. Being someone who already had the original version of the AA tune, I was very excited to hear AA has tweaked its original offering. To my understanding they found a way to play with the valve timing in the VANOS software to give you a more aggressive cam profile. Initial reviews were positive with claims of another 5-8 HP over the original tune. I couldn't wait any more and called up Jon at Bimmersport.ca (local GTA AA dealer) and setup a time to re flash my car. Using advice from MaximusJ I also had Jon clear my adaptations. I have run half a tank of aggressive driving through my car and I am here to say I am happy with the results.

Initial impressions were subtle with improvements being more noticeable at the top end. As I neared 300 km on the new tune I felt the "sweet spot" widen on the power band between 5-7k rpm. It really feels like the engine has more power on the top end to the point of a surging like feel when the needle gets up there. The initial claims of 5-8 hp didn't feel too far from the truth using my super accurate butt dyno

The "dead" spot from 3500-4500 I had before seems to be eliminated also! This improvement combined with the more aggressive throttle response, the 155mph limiter removal and the few hundred RPM added to the redline make this a no brainier for anyone with a 330i (or 325/328 with a 3 stage intake manifold). I just wanted to share my experience with the E90 community and hopefully we get a more comprehensive dyno from AA?!?!

Would it be worth my while to run this tune on a 2011 328 xi e90 without the 3 stage intake manifold?
jwise36 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 11:58 AM   #17
blackbeast06
adrenergic stimulation
 
blackbeast06's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 E92 335i
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Akron

Posts: 304
iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2006 325i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by spacemonkey1112 View Post
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-13...-e9x-325i.aspx

Turner Motorsport seems to have a more custom tune for 325 guys w/ the manifold swap (and also takes into consideration if you have headers, exhaust, and intake)

Does anyone know how AA's stage 2 compares to this (funny how turner's tune is also labeled stage 2 for those with the manifold swap)
This is very interesting to see. 3 years ago Turner offered a package where you could get the manifold and tune that we all have been doing. For some reason they quit doing it and only offered a stage 1 tune with the stock 325i manifold. A year and a half ago I contacted Turner and they told me they no longer kept their intake manifold tune on the shelf and they could not sell the tune anymore (maybe due to supply/demand pricing). Now they are back on the scene offering this tune again. I am also very curious to see what numbers they are producing after all, they are the originators of this swap and tune.
__________________
07 335i. Montego Blue/Saddle Brown. 6 MT.

[IMG]
bm insta by senntera, on Flickr[/IMG]
blackbeast06 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 01:29 PM   #18
t1mmy
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: BMW 328i 2008 Sport
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Austin, TX

Posts: 247
iTrader: (0)

I just put the tune on my car (2008 328i) and drove it around yesterday / today. Initial impressions... decent.

I paid most attention to the throttle sensitivity, since I wanted to make sure whatever performance gains I got were from actual performance increases and not just throttle re-mapping (PBX style). I'm happy to say that I didn't notice much change to my RPM with how much I throttled it, so that's good.

At first, not really feeling anything. Had me wondering whether I correctly did the flash. But I did notice from 1st gear to 2nd, less of the engine 'shuttering' from when you shift too soon. Could be from increased HP / TQ, as in a manual if you feel that you gas it more to prevent yourself from stalling out.

Car seems to accelerate a bit better, but I have to really pay attention to notice it. IMO, I won't notice anything in daily driving. I haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I'll do that this weekend and post more, since most of the gains are in the upper-band (4500RPM+)

Those of you posting tremendous success are the ones with the manifold + tune combination, so it might be the additive benefits of both
__________________
BMW 328i 2008, 6MT, Perf Exh + Perf Int, Continental DWS and BMW Perf SSK
t1mmy is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 02:32 PM   #19
Volasko
Major
 
Volasko's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 E90 330i BSM 6MT ZSP
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 1,081
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by t1mmy View Post
I just put the tune on my car (2008 328i) and drove it around yesterday / today. Initial impressions... decent.

I paid most attention to the throttle sensitivity, since I wanted to make sure whatever performance gains I got were from actual performance increases and not just throttle re-mapping (PBX style). I'm happy to say that I didn't notice much change to my RPM with how much I throttled it, so that's good.

At first, not really feeling anything. Had me wondering whether I correctly did the flash. But I did notice from 1st gear to 2nd, less of the engine 'shuttering' from when you shift too soon. Could be from increased HP / TQ, as in a manual if you feel that you gas it more to prevent yourself from stalling out.

Car seems to accelerate a bit better, but I have to really pay attention to notice it. IMO, I won't notice anything in daily driving. I haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I'll do that this weekend and post more, since most of the gains are in the upper-band (4500RPM+)

Those of you posting tremendous success are the ones with the manifold + tune combination, so it might be the additive benefits of both
Did you have the previous version of the tune? If this is the first time flashing give it a chance to adapt, like 300-400 miles. The tune needs time to adapt.
Volasko is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 02:53 PM   #20
t1mmy
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: BMW 328i 2008 Sport
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Austin, TX

Posts: 247
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Volasko
Quote:
Originally Posted by t1mmy View Post
I just put the tune on my car (2008 328i) and drove it around yesterday / today. Initial impressions... decent.

I paid most attention to the throttle sensitivity, since I wanted to make sure whatever performance gains I got were from actual performance increases and not just throttle re-mapping (PBX style). I'm happy to say that I didn't notice much change to my RPM with how much I throttled it, so that's good.

At first, not really feeling anything. Had me wondering whether I correctly did the flash. But I did notice from 1st gear to 2nd, less of the engine 'shuttering' from when you shift too soon. Could be from increased HP / TQ, as in a manual if you feel that you gas it more to prevent yourself from stalling out.

Car seems to accelerate a bit better, but I have to really pay attention to notice it. IMO, I won't notice anything in daily driving. I haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I'll do that this weekend and post more, since most of the gains are in the upper-band (4500RPM+)

Those of you posting tremendous success are the ones with the manifold + tune combination, so it might be the additive benefits of both
Did you have the previous version of the tune? If this is the first time flashing give it a chance to adapt, like 300-400 miles. The tune needs time to adapt.
No I have the stage 2. Again, just initial impressions. May have been unfair to post a less than informed review.

Truthfully, I'm extremely happy that the throttle wasn't changed too much. I always felt that was kind of cheating (pbx style). Just means whenever I do get to fully exercise the tune it will be real power
__________________
BMW 328i 2008, 6MT, Perf Exh + Perf Int, Continental DWS and BMW Perf SSK
t1mmy is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 03:43 PM   #21
CombatNinja
Defender of the Universe
 
CombatNinja's Avatar
 
Drives: e91 328i, e90 328i, e90 335i
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: United States

Posts: 1,560
iTrader: (0)

Anyone have a before and after dyno of a 328?
CombatNinja is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-01-2012, 08:36 PM   #22
spacemonkey1112
Captain
 
spacemonkey1112's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i AW
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 818, CA

Posts: 959
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to spacemonkey1112
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackbeast06 View Post
This is very interesting to see. 3 years ago Turner offered a package where you could get the manifold and tune that we all have been doing. For some reason they quit doing it and only offered a stage 1 tune with the stock 325i manifold. A year and a half ago I contacted Turner and they told me they no longer kept their intake manifold tune on the shelf and they could not sell the tune anymore (maybe due to supply/demand pricing). Now they are back on the scene offering this tune again. I am also very curious to see what numbers they are producing after all, they are the originators of this swap and tune.
yeah I am in the same boat as you; i remember reading articles about turner converting 325i's back in 06/07 and never heard from them again.

unfortunately the dyno on that site is of the stage 1 tune. Hopefully we see something from them with their stage 2 tune. there stage 1 tune didn't seem to give them that much in power so hopefully we see some better numbers (maybe create a new thread for this? I dunno haha)
__________________
2006 E90 325i | Sports Package | 6MT | 3IM | PE | AA |
spacemonkey1112 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:32 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST