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      04-25-2012, 12:34 PM   #111
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Is there an ETA of when we should hear more info about this kit?
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      04-25-2012, 04:50 PM   #112
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Geoff @ Full-Ruce says he expects to debut the kit at Sema.
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      04-25-2012, 04:58 PM   #113
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      04-25-2012, 05:06 PM   #114
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I'm not sure why you keep posting that our kit will cost $10k. It won't.
Thanks for clearing that up
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      04-26-2012, 09:45 AM   #115
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Also, how can anyone even compare shivs single turbo with any other product. No other company has even shown any real world progress besides stating they are going to do it. And hpf has dropped the ball so many times on this project, I wouldn't let them touch my car with a 10 foot pole.

So for now, shivs is all there is for me until other companies start showing some significant progress.
Well just my .02 cents i feel that 4 meth injectors in the intercooler is not a solution. Many people have had a lot of trouble with shivs PWM meth kits over time.

I know shiv and HPF have talked to eachother before obviously and i feel if shiv incorporated HPF intake manifold to there car and had port methanol injection into all 6 cylinders with say a aquamist kit that provides the best atomization then shiv would have no questions from me.

Also im just waiting to see the fueling upgrade on his car.

Yes it run a BUNCH of miles and all and it seems great 630whp is a ton of hp on a rear wheel drive application .

I believe 10s will easily be broken by this kit especially if RBs best pass was a 11.1, we just have to wait for shiv to do the pass since he knows the car best. NLS and the 2 step could be really hard to work with for someone who never driven with it

But id really like to see HPFs manifold incorporated into a Vishnu single turbo and just leave the intercooler alone, then id buy it for a lot of money. Im sure their is endless R&D in this kit but i just want it to be simple and run good number not a crazy setup, like running 4 meth injectors into the intercooler. For rhe price tag these kits cost i just want to make sure everything is right!!! And not just throw together. Im trying to spend my money wisely!
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      04-26-2012, 10:02 AM   #116
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Well just my .02 cents i feel that 4 meth injectors in the intercooler is not a solution. Many people have had a lot of trouble with shivs PWM meth kits over time.

I know shiv and HPF have talked to eachother before obviously and i feel if shiv incorporated HPF intake manifold to there car and had port methanol injection into all 6 cylinders with say a aquamist kit that provides the best atomization then shiv would have no questions from me.

Also im just waiting to see the fueling upgrade on his car.

Yes it run a BUNCH of miles and all and it seems great 630whp is a ton of hp on a rear wheel drive application .

I believe 10s will easily be broken by this kit especially if RBs best pass was a 11.1, we just have to wait for shiv to do the pass since he knows the car best. NLS and the 2 step could be really hard to work with for someone who never driven with it

But id really like to see HPFs manifold incorporated into a Vishnu single turbo and just leave the intercooler alone, then id buy it for a lot of money. Im sure their is endless R&D in this kit but i just want it to be simple and run good number not a crazy setup, like running 4 meth injectors into the intercooler. For rhe price tag these kits cost i just want to make sure everything is right!!! And not just throw together. Im trying to spend my money wisely!
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      04-26-2012, 10:17 AM   #117
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I'm pretty sure there are atleast half a dozen threads dedicated to/explicitly about the vishnu single turbo kit. How about the vishnu stuff go there and the Full race stuff go in the full race thread?
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Well just my .02 cents i feel that 4 meth injectors in the intercooler is not a solution. Many people have had a lot of trouble with shivs PWM meth kits over time.

I know shiv and HPF have talked to eachother before obviously and i feel if shiv incorporated HPF intake manifold to there car and had port methanol injection into all 6 cylinders with say a aquamist kit that provides the best atomization then shiv would have no questions from me.

Also im just waiting to see the fueling upgrade on his car.

Yes it run a BUNCH of miles and all and it seems great 630whp is a ton of hp on a rear wheel drive application .

I believe 10s will easily be broken by this kit especially if RBs best pass was a 11.1, we just have to wait for shiv to do the pass since he knows the car best. NLS and the 2 step could be really hard to work with for someone who never driven with it

But id really like to see HPFs manifold incorporated into a Vishnu single turbo and just leave the intercooler alone, then id buy it for a lot of money. Im sure their is endless R&D in this kit but i just want it to be simple and run good number not a crazy setup, like running 4 meth injectors into the intercooler. For rhe price tag these kits cost i just want to make sure everything is right!!! And not just throw together. Im trying to spend my money wisely!

shiv's PWM kit uses aquamist hardware, so the whole "best atomization" applies to the PWM kit, as well. people with PWM kit issues? like who? i bet most errors are caused by the user and/or install.

port methanol injection isn't that great of an idea, IMO. for one thing, the tmap sensor is pre-throttle body, which means the IAT's won't be affected by the meth injection, as far as the engine knows. proper atomization can't take place if you're injecting meth right into the intake ports.

hpf's manifold is a joke. there were several members trying to tell them that they needed proper oxygen sensor placement in the manifold to separate the 2 banks, but they didn't do it, and it caused big problems with the tuning. their "fix" looked like a big ghetto rig.
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      04-27-2012, 01:18 PM   #119
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hey guys - Full-Race remains committed to debut at SEMA 2013 (in the BorgWarner booth). Myself, the GM at full-race and BW's global director of turbo engineering are all closet bmw junkies and would love to have a DD like this. Obviously we are not rushing this kit out, so anyone that wants to boost sooner than that there are many pioneers who can help in the interim. We made a large commitment to a major Auto MFG for this year's SEMA show, and assuming things work out it could be a very good thing for this platform. Its going to be at least a few months before we can share any detail - but I guarantee the Full-Race kit will be unique !
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      04-27-2012, 01:34 PM   #120
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hey guys - Full-Race remains committed to debut at SEMA 2013 (in the BorgWarner booth). Myself, the GM at full-race and BW's global director of turbo engineering are all closet bmw junkies and would love to have a DD like this. Obviously we are not rushing this kit out, so anyone that wants to boost sooner than that there are many pioneers who can help in the interim. We made a large commitment to a major Auto MFG for this year's SEMA show, and assuming things work out it could be a very good thing for this platform. Its going to be at least a few months before we can share any detail - but I guarantee the Full-Race kit will be unique !
sweet.....thanks for chiming in Geoff!
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      04-27-2012, 03:44 PM   #121
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SEMA "2013"? Is that a typo?
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hey guys - Full-Race remains committed to debut at SEMA 2013 (in the BorgWarner booth). Myself, the GM at full-race and BW's global director of turbo engineering are all closet bmw junkies and would love to have a DD like this. Obviously we are not rushing this kit out, so anyone that wants to boost sooner than that there are many pioneers who can help in the interim. We made a large commitment to a major Auto MFG for this year's SEMA show, and assuming things work out it could be a very good thing for this platform. Its going to be at least a few months before we can share any detail - but I guarantee the Full-Race kit will be unique !
Sounds good.


Meanwhile, let the the early Vishnu single adopters test the limits of the n54.
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      04-27-2012, 07:30 PM   #124
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If only there was room for a top mount.
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If only there was room for a top mount.
Top mount is actually O.G. on the 335i. The very first single turbo N54 was a top mount (VIP). They just didn't make it past the tuning stage. I predict that you will see more of those setups eventually.
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Top mount is actually O.G. on the 335i. The very first single turbo N54 was a top mount (VIP). They just didn't make it past the tuning stage. I predict that you will see more of those setups eventually.
I am not sure that was ever real to be honest. Part of me thinks they just placed the turbo and some plumbing on there to get attention.
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I am not sure that was ever real to be honest. Part of me thinks they just placed the turbo and some plumbing on there to get attention.
That's possible, but it shows that a turbo will fit. You just have to get the coolant reservoir out of the way.
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That's possible, but it shows that a turbo will fit. You just have to get the coolant reservoir out of the way.
I am not sure I agree. There were never enough pictures to show anything. I am not even sure the hood would close with what they showed. VIP was really, really shady.
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I am not sure I agree. There were never enough pictures to show anything. I am not even sure the hood would close with what they showed. VIP was really, really shady.
Hopefully someone reputable will try it. Top mount would be badass.
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Hopefully someone reputable will try it. Top mount would be badass.
I just want the power of a single. I personally could care less if anyone sees it.
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I just want the power of a single. I personally could care less if anyone sees it.
Well tell Shiv to hurry the hell up LOL.
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