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      05-07-2012, 11:51 PM   #1
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How much power can a N54 make without meth.

Alright so I have apparently sparked a bit of debate on YouTube and would like to clarify something.

How much power can a N54 create without meth.

My answer was basically 350-360whp, which translates to 410-420hp.

With just JB4 and race fuel 370whp, which translate to about 440hp

With full bolt ons, JB4, and race fuel I remember seeing some dynos pulling 400whp.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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400whp give or take s few hp is the most without meth, and thats with good gas, not crappy 91 octane.
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Dyno Graphs

http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/E...p-Dyno-Sheets/

400whp.
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Off topic but I have sent you a couple pm"s but got no response..
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and that whp running at about 18-19 psi....is it safe to run that boost witout meth ?
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FBO + supporting mods (FMIC, DP, Intake, upgraded Charge Pipe & DVs/BOVs) you'll prob see 390-400 hp/ 420-430 tq depending quality of pump gas (good 93) + the tune/boost set up
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JB4 - FBO - 390rwhp/425rwtq
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JB4 plus FBO you should be in the 400 range depending on what pump gas you are running. If 91 probably a little shy of 400rw. If on race gas and FBO you should see north of 400. Also really depends on the dyno as well.

The above are assuming a DynoJet.

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FBO + supporting mods (FMIC, DP, Intake, upgraded Charge Pipe & DVs/BOVs) you'll prob see 390-400 hp/ 420-430 tq depending quality of pump gas (good 93) + the tune/boost set up
You don't need charge pipe or dv/bov if your stock components are holding boost without a problem

I'm getting 370rwhp with Cobb S2+S, no meth on mustang dyno... you convert that to Dynojet and it's about 420rwhp (12% difference). You convert that to crank hp and it's about 490hp.

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You don't need charge pipe or dv/bov if your stock components are holding boost without a problem

I'm getting 370rwhp with Cobb S2+S, no meth on mustang dyno, so on dynojet, closer to 400rwhp
You don't need them, but you'll want them on there when you're running high boost & pushing the car hard (drag/autocross/excessive highway pulls)....

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Off topic but I have sent you a couple pm"s but got no response..
vendorship should be up today and i can respond to pm's. Email me and i will hit you up asap.

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2008 535i - 400+ HP and Torque - Dyno Results

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JB 4 - Alpha Firmware 2-7-2012
BMS DCI


Fuel:

91 Octane - 40% ( California and there low octane, BOO !! )
E85 - 60%

FYI - Been running 50/50 for the past six months with no issues


Read more about results

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15060


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we need more guys to dyno these e85 mix's to get more data... these results look very good!
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I had 393 whp fbo without meth on 93 oct
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dont wanna go limp when its your time to shine
Very wise words and applicable to many facets of life.
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mods in sig 70/30 mix of e85
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Don't know how much power I am making, but I can consistently trap 116-117mph in the 1/4 mile with just Cobb Stage 2+, intercooler and downpipes on pump gas.
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Alright so I have apparently sparked a bit of debate on YouTube and would like to clarify something.

How much power can a N54 create without meth.

My answer was basically 350-360whp, which translates to 410-420hp.

With just JB4 and race fuel 370whp, which translate to about 440hp

With full bolt ons, JB4, and race fuel I remember seeing some dynos pulling 400whp.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think this all depends on the tuner. I am making significantly more power(thats all I can say about this) without DPs on a Mustang Dyno, so I can imagine what a DynoJet will show.

However, my advantage is that my tune was custom tuned specifically to my vehicle mods and will be retuned again when DPs go on.
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Is there a map on procede yet for e85 I have the same car btw just procede and love your results
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Tune:

JB 4 - Alpha Firmware 2-7-2012
BMS DCI


Fuel:

91 Octane - 40% ( California and there low octane, BOO !! )
E85 - 60%

FYI - Been running 50/50 for the past six months with no issues


Read more about results

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15060


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Is there a map on procede yet for e85 I have the same car btw just procede and love your results
Don't know about proceed, but thanx

I was actually shocked when I did the first run

Yeah E85 FTW

Not sure about long term, but for now it has NOT been as issue



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I think this all depends on the tuner. I am making significantly more power(thats all I can say about this) without DPs on a Mustang Dyno, so I can imagine what a DynoJet will show.

However, my advantage is that my tune was custom tuned specifically to my vehicle mods and will be retuned again when DPs go on.
No wai bro! Tell us one more time about your super secret Renntech tune!

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