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      05-21-2012, 05:28 PM   #23
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Not sure if want.

It's gonna be a ridiculously fun car to dick around. Probably not so much around a road course though.
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Not sure if want.

It's gonna be a ridiculously fun car to dick around. Probably not so much around a road course though.
Huh?

The 2012 SVTPP Shelby was as fast as the BOSS in the only same day, same driver test that I know of (IL and the Shelby actually put in a better time). We all know where the BOSS sits in relation to a certain unnamed BMW....

And the '13 Shelby is shitloads faster than the '12.... I'm sure it'll be fine on a road course. Not only that, but it's reportedly more forgiving at/near the limit and has some heavy duty cooling added. It'll still soak, but it's going to murder some "twisties only" cars on road courses. You can bet on it.
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yeah i'd rock that! looks to be a great car with some very nice parts on it.

bargain in my eyes.
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10s on that car...Easy breezy with help of some DRs or 15s with Mickeys on it.
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10s on that car...Easy breezy with help of some DRs or 15s with Mickeys on it.
Easy 9s with mods IMO..
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Not sure if want.

It's gonna be a ridiculously fun car to dick around. Probably not so much around a road course though.
Whatsup Kevin! Question: How much does your e90 weigh?? Even if an e90 was 200lbs lighter, I would think the extra 255hp would more than make up for it. I think the Boss is about the same weight as the m3's, that would be the drivers car. But 660hp and that huge powerband can't be ignored.
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Easy 9s with mods IMO..
Possibly even without motor mods, just tuning the chassis to the T. Def a lot of potential here.
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People gotta remember, its essentially the same interior as the V6. Same goes for the 3 series. Do you think that everyone that pays $70K-$80K for an M3 is happy to have the same interior as the $35K 328? I dont think so. thats a compromise you gotta make. Besides, are people REALLY not gonna buy the GT500, CTS-V, M3, Z06/ZR1 because the interior is not that special? I vote performance/looks first.
I'd happy with the 328i inerior coral red + brushed aluminum or Gray poplar especially with the M3 bkack headliner in an M3.
It's not the cheap plasticky stuff you find in a base Mustang.
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Yeah the plastics seem to be a tad higher quality in the E9X, not going to argue that.

But people have to remember what makes the Mustang so great is the fact that you can get it for (relative) beans compared to competitors on the performance level. When we start nitpicking about LRA, interior plastics, etc.... Then we end up with a Mustang carrying a price tag that's uncharacteristically high. I'd rather stomach the slight downgrade in plastics, and I think Ford has found their target demographics to agree.

Also, one thing a lot of people forget is that the seats are part of the interior. BMW for some reason seems to be lagging in this category. It's not a German thing, because the other Germans have caught on, but for some reason BMW has not.
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Yeah the plastics seem to be a tad higher quality in the E9X, not going to argue that.

But people have to remember what makes the Mustang so great is the fact that you can get it for (relative) beans compared to competitors on the performance level. When we start nitpicking about LRA, interior plastics, etc.... Then we end up with a Mustang carrying a price tag that's uncharacteristically high. I'd rather stomach the slight downgrade in plastics, and I think Ford has found their target demographics to agree.

Also, one thing a lot of people forget is that the seats are part of the interior. BMW for some reason seems to be lagging in this category. It's not a German thing, because the other Germans have caught on, but for some reason BMW has not.
Actually when i owned my E90 330i people loved tge sport package seats in that car,the M cars seats are even better.
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Actually when i owned my E90 330i people loved tge sport package seats in that car,the M cars seats are even better.
Yeah the ZSP seats are great compared to base seats, but other auto manufacturers have started offering one step above that in their high performance autos.

The ZSP and M seats are very good, excellent compared to base seats.... But still fall short of the Recaros you can get in a lot of competitors these days. IMHO of course.
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Yeah the ZSP seats are great compared to base seats, but other auto manufacturers have started offering one step above that in their high performance autos.

The ZSP and M seats are very good, excellent compared to base seats.... But still fall short of the Recaros you can get in a lot of competitors these days. IMHO of course.
I've autocrossed an Evo with Recaro seats, i wasnt impressed. BMW ZSP seats provide better support. Just my humble opinion.
You might like the Recaros seats better but that doesnt mean BMW seats are lagging compared to its german counterparts.
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I've autocrossed an Evo with Recaro seats, i wasnt impressed. BMW ZSP seats provide better support. Just my humble opinion.
You might like the Recaros seats better but that doesnt mean BMW seats are lagging compared to its german counterparts.
Yeah our opinions differ.

But based on that opinion, one would either come to the conclusion that BMW either is or isn't lagging. So it's entirely subjective.
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They put it up online finally.
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It's the last resort mentality. Emergency fall-back.

Nobody likes being less reliable, slower, and have lower resale value. So they harp on interiors. Can't get a roundel on a Ford! HA!

But I do understand the hate on the Mustang's interior. Seats excluded, it's one I can understand people hating. While nowhere near as over the top as the Camaro, it's definitely not conservative and understated. I can see why people (especially from the BMW camp) wouldn't like it. I can't see how it's bad enough that someone would turn down a '13 Shelby at $55k for reasons of hating the interior alone, no matter how much you hate retro gauges!

The CTS-V hate I do not understand. Like I said in the other thread, I wish it wasn't as glossy/blingy, and I hate pop-up screens. However, it still seems to me like a much more posh interior than the E9X.
Could be badge status, though I think the Shelby "Cobra" badge seems to be more unique and prestigious to me than a "roundrel" on a 3 series.

I haven't sat inside of a new Boss or Shelby. I don't remember Stangs ever being known for quality interiors, though if you're buying a Boss or Shelby, I think it's laughable to even put that on the list of must haves considering the purpose of these cars.

But the CTS-V is kind of a weird comparison in my mind, having sat inside of one.
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People gotta remember, its essentially the same interior as the V6. Same goes for the 3 series. Do you think that everyone that pays $70K-$80K for an M3 is happy to have the same interior as the $35K 328? I dont think so. thats a compromise you gotta make. Besides, are people REALLY not gonna buy the GT500, CTS-V, M3, Z06/ZR1 because the interior is not that special? I vote performance/looks first.
You clearly dont know what you are talking about. The leather in the M3 is 100x better than on the regular 3.


The reason the GT500 cost so little is because you have to compromise. If it had the same interior as the M3 it would cost the same or more.
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I love that powerband. I would be up in the air between trying to choose this or a lightly used C6 Z06 (no wife or kids so I am good lol).
Wait until the C7.
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You clearly dont know what you are talking about. The leather in the M3 is 100x better than on the regular 3.


The reason the GT500 cost so little is because you have to compromise. If it had the same interior as the M3 it would cost the same or more.
I clearly dont know what I'm talking about and I owned both a 335i and an M3? Get the sand out of your ears. I'm talking about the layout and 90% of the materials. The only things that differ are the seats and the steering wheel. They are both compromise vehicles because of the lesser models they share 90% of the parts with.
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I clearly dont know what I'm talking about and I owned both a 335i and an M3? Get the sand out of your ears. I'm talking about the layout and 90% of the materials. The only things that differ are the seats and the steering wheel. They are both compromise vehicles because of the lesser models they share 90% of the parts with.
True but at least it has better materials in the parts that count.
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Wait until the C7.
True, when those start to roll out, the C6 Z06 will be even cheaper by then.

I already love the styling of the C6 Z06 and would obviously rather get a lightly used car over new, but that new GT500 is tempting though no doubt.
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