Water Pump failure. Any experience? Cost? - Page 2 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

Alpineweiss e90 · 05-02-2012, 10:41 AM

Your dealer is a moron. A common way for the electric water pumps to fail is internally, they will leak into the circuits and short them...that's most likely where your coolant is going.

That's why it seems fine when they do a diag.

There should be shadow faults stored indicating any issue with the water pump, common one being reduced flow rate.

I don't understand why everyone insists on continuing to drive after they get a coolant system warning. If the car didn't limit you, you would be replacing your engine right now.

Yes it's a pain to sit on the side of the road waiting for roadside assistance, but that's better than dishing out thousands for an overheated engine on what I'm assuming is an out of warranty N52B30.

Btw price for parts alone are around $800 for the pump and tstat. It's normal for dealers to charge upto $1000 for labor making this job aroun $2k. Look for an Indy to do the work, will most likely be 2/3 the price.

GoRomeo · 05-02-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by blingman

Im in the same boat you are. Planning a 600 mile trip and another at the end of the month.

Anyway to find out if the pump has been replaced before?

Man thats a good question. I would find out first, before going on that trip. I would check car records or take it to a dealer and ask one of thte techs to take a look at your car maybe they know how to find out since they do it on a daily basis??

badsector · 05-02-2012, 01:05 PM

Just happened to me today. Last week I got the warning for low coolant. Thought it was nothing and filled it up. Yesterday empty again. Just brought it into BMW and it's the water pump. It's running me $1184.11 CAD ;( oh well at least the new parts are under warranty for a couple years.

bbbuzzy · 05-02-2012, 01:47 PM

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Btw price for parts alone are around $800 for the pump and tstat. It's normal for dealers to charge upto $1000 for labor making this job aroun $2k. Look for an Indy to do the work, will most likely be 2/3 the price.

Is this deal by Tischer for the latest pump and Tstat? Seems like a good price.

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...catalogid=4462

Alpineweiss e90 · 05-02-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bbbuzzy

Is this deal by Tischer for the latest pump and Tstat? Seems like a good price.

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...catalogid=4462

Yea it looks like the price has come down since I last did a water pump.

lux.sh · 05-02-2012, 06:04 PM

JOB#1 11BMZ **ENGINE DIAGNOSIS TECH:117 ---------------- $259.60

CUST STATES THE VEHICLE OVERHEATED/GOT HOT. SEEMS LIKE THE WATER PUMP HAS AN ISSUE. CHECK AND REPORT.
HAD TO JUMP START VEHICLE TO GET INTO SHOP. COOLANT LEVEL LOW. TOPPED UP COOLANT.
PRESSURE TESTED COOLING SYSTEM. HELD PRESSURE FOUND NO LEAKS.
PERFORMED VEHICLE TEST. FUNCTION TESTED WATER PUMP. WORKS FINE.
FOUND MULTIPLE FAULTS FOR VOLTAGE PROBLEMS. TESTED BATTERY WITH TESTER - NEEDS REPLACED. REPLACED AND REGISTERED BATTER.

PARTS QTY 1 PART# 61-21-7-586-962 DESCRIPTION: BATTERY EXIDE PRICE: $209.99

JOB #1 TOTAL: $469.59

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This was the dealer invoice. Right now I'm waiting 1h 30mins for the dealership to call back.

At least these guys do an awesome job on car wash.

lastkings2012 · 05-02-2012, 07:40 PM

Had this happen a month ago water pump and thermostat changed 1300. 80k miles exactly

XxJeffxX · 05-08-2012, 01:16 PM

Sorry for the bad news but i think you might need to sell it, my water pump failed and spent about 1300 from a reputable local shop that did it. Thank god it was under warranty when it failed, i only paid 100 dollars for the deductible. The parts alone cost the shop 600, which is crazy for a water pump and thermostat

sisspc · 05-09-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lux.sh

2. As I start up the car in the dealership, I notice the fan running REAL loud...

My fan did the exact same moments before my water pump blew.

Your dealer is wrong. Please find an indy or diy with a friend's help. Water pumps for our cars are getting cheaper as demand increases... thebmwpartstore.com has the water pump for $342.96, thermostat for $77.15 and $8.50 shipping for a grand total of $428.61 ($46 cheaper than the previously posted deal).

Water pumps are just about the only thing that will strand you with our cars. Once yours is replaced you should be good to go for many more trouble free miles.

DimSum · 05-11-2012, 11:20 AM

took me 4 hours to DIY.
terribly hard if you don't have a hoist to work on these cars..

Malbolge · 05-11-2012, 11:42 AM

if you wanna sell it now - then good used parts are best bet - find a crashed car etc. gonna take some time but might save 50%.

and guys, if you have issues on break downs - post your milage so we get some record going for when parts fail on these cars and it's clear if it's a car worth keeping long.

omerfar23 · 05-18-2012, 11:12 PM

mine failed today.. 2008 bmw 335i with 40k miles..so pissed.

omerfar23 · 05-20-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by omerfar23

mine failed today.. 2008 bmw 335i with 40k miles..so pissed.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...1#post12000957

kahoho1 · 05-22-2012, 10:59 PM

My water pump failed today, and it was at 66K miles. V.S. Motorsport quoted me $1250 to replace the water pump and thermostat, and also flush the coolant. The price includes the part. Is this a fair price? There was another shop named VFC Engineering in Chicago quoting me $1650 including the parts, and the shop was insane. Their price is even more expensive than BMW dealership. (I checked) First, they were dishonest when they gave out estimate about the cost of the parts, and they also over-charge customer with their labor fees. Moreover, their attitudes were really bad and didn't seem to value their customers. I paid $107 for diagnostic fee after my water pump failed and brought my car to this nearby european auto repair shop (VFC). I was very regretted of my decision and I was not even bothered to talk to the staffs at VFC after they try to overcharge me in every way they could. Then I just had my car towed to V.S. Motorsports. Bad Day!!

lux.sh · 05-23-2012, 01:28 AM

Guess I should update.

It was the damn electric water pump. It was $990 to replace.

kahoho1 · 05-23-2012, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lux.sh

Guess I should update.

It was the damn electric water pump. It was $990 to replace.

Does this price include the thermostat and the labor fee?

sisspc · 05-23-2012, 02:50 PM

I replaced my water pump and thermostat this past weekend, total cost was just under $450 for parts at www.thebmwpartstore.com plus about 6 hours of my time (took my time, ate lunch, put the chain back on my son's bike, etc). I only had a jack and jack stands; I agree that a lift would make it much easier but it can be done without one. My only suggestion would be to remove the sway bar completely (it's only 2 extra screws), don't just let it hang from the end links because I knocked the shit out of my head on it

. I did not take out the radiator fan either. All in all this is a very doable diy project that will save you a lot of money.

To quote the great BMW diy'er smolck (and an old movie from the 90's), "what one man can do, another can do!" Save yourselves some money and tackle this project guys!

omerfar23 · 05-23-2012, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sisspc

I replaced my water pump and thermostat this past weekend, total cost was just under $450 for parts at www.thebmwpartstore.com plus about 6 hours of my time (took my time, ate lunch, put the chain back on my son's bike, etc). I only had a jack and jack stands; I agree that a lift would make it much easier but it can be done without one. My only suggestion would be to remove the sway bar completely (it's only 2 extra screws), don't just let it hang from the end links because I knocked the shit out of my head on it

. I did not take out the radiator fan either. All in all this is a very doable diy project that will save you a lot of money.

To quote the great BMW diy'er smolck (and an old movie from the 90's), "what one man can do, another can do!" Save yourselves some money and tackle this project guys!

what were the symptoms that led you to believe it was the water pump?

sisspc · 05-23-2012, 09:40 PM

Quote:

what were the symptoms that led you to believe it was the water pump?

While driving on the freeway the yellow temp light and chime came on followed quickly by the red light and chime. Also the fan had been louder than usual for a couple days but I hadn't had time to investigate. When i pulled over and opened the hood coolant had sprayed everywhere. The car would start and run but I only drove from the driveway (where the tow truck driver set it down) into the garage, 30-40 feet max.

Btw, my car is an '06 330i with 130,000 miles.

just4kickz · 05-23-2012, 11:25 PM

haha oh man i feel you. post warranty sucks. i spent 1.8k (bargain price on CCC, new amp, +labor was going to be about 3.2k but i was going to leave with my car unfixed) and then i paid for a new battery and a few other things for like antoher 1.6k

lux.sh · 05-24-2012, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sisspc

While driving on the freeway the yellow temp light and chime came on followed quickly by the red light and chime. Also the fan had been louder than usual for a couple days but I hadn't had time to investigate.

Btw, my car is an '06 330i with 130,000 miles.

That was EXACTLY my symptoms.

lux.sh · 05-24-2012, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahoho1

Does this price include the thermostat and the labor fee?

It doesn't include thermostat. Just labor, water pump parts, and coolant. I assume it will go above $1000 mark as everyone said if thermostat was included.

05-02-2012, 10:41 AM	#23
Alpineweiss e90 Banned Drives: AW 330xi Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: . Posts: 220 iTrader: (0)	Your dealer is a moron. A common way for the electric water pumps to fail is internally, they will leak into the circuits and short them...that's most likely where your coolant is going. That's why it seems fine when they do a diag. There should be shadow faults stored indicating any issue with the water pump, common one being reduced flow rate. I don't understand why everyone insists on continuing to drive after they get a coolant system warning. If the car didn't limit you, you would be replacing your engine right now. Yes it's a pain to sit on the side of the road waiting for roadside assistance, but that's better than dishing out thousands for an overheated engine on what I'm assuming is an out of warranty N52B30. Btw price for parts alone are around $800 for the pump and tstat. It's normal for dealers to charge upto $1000 for labor making this job aroun $2k. Look for an Indy to do the work, will most likely be 2/3 the price. Last edited by Alpineweiss e90; 05-02-2012 at 10:49 AM.

05-02-2012, 06:04 PM	#28
lux.sh missing two turbos. Drives: fast around corners. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Curves Posts: 4,862 iTrader: (12) Garage List 2006 BMW E90 330i [0.00]	JOB#1 11BMZ **ENGINE DIAGNOSIS TECH:117 ---------------- $259.60 CUST STATES THE VEHICLE OVERHEATED/GOT HOT. SEEMS LIKE THE WATER PUMP HAS AN ISSUE. CHECK AND REPORT. HAD TO JUMP START VEHICLE TO GET INTO SHOP. COOLANT LEVEL LOW. TOPPED UP COOLANT. PRESSURE TESTED COOLING SYSTEM. HELD PRESSURE FOUND NO LEAKS. PERFORMED VEHICLE TEST. FUNCTION TESTED WATER PUMP. WORKS FINE. FOUND MULTIPLE FAULTS FOR VOLTAGE PROBLEMS. TESTED BATTERY WITH TESTER - NEEDS REPLACED. REPLACED AND REGISTERED BATTER. PARTS QTY 1 PART# 61-21-7-586-962 DESCRIPTION: BATTERY EXIDE PRICE: $209.99 JOB #1 TOTAL: $469.59 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This was the dealer invoice. Right now I'm waiting 1h 30mins for the dealership to call back. At least these guys do an awesome job on car wash. __________________ 06 AW E90 330i ZPP/ZSP/Step/Expired Warranty : Prior Design Front : ACS Rear : ACS Roof : BlackLines : Simota Intake : Carbon Fiber Interior Trim : : MTEC V3 : 24% Charcoal : V1 Hardwired : Solaris Invisibulbs/LED interior :

05-11-2012, 11:42 AM	#33
Malbolge Major General Drives: Montego E90 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pluto (which is not a planet) Posts: 5,053 iTrader: (1)	if you wanna sell it now - then good used parts are best bet - find a crashed car etc. gonna take some time but might save 50%. and guys, if you have issues on break downs - post your milage so we get some record going for when parts fail on these cars and it's clear if it's a car worth keeping long. __________________ E90 325i Montego Blau - 2011-2012 (SOLD) E90 320d TiAg - 2007-2011 (SOLD) E36 320i Avus Blau Msport - 2007 (SOLD)

05-18-2012, 11:12 PM	#34
omerfar23 First Lieutenant Drives: 08-E92 335, 99 Civic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 307 iTrader: (0)	mine failed today.. 2008 bmw 335i with 40k miles..so pissed. __________________ ******** 2008 BMW 335i TT****

05-23-2012, 01:28 AM	#37
lux.sh missing two turbos. Drives: fast around corners. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Curves Posts: 4,862 iTrader: (12) Garage List 2006 BMW E90 330i [0.00]	Guess I should update. It was the damn electric water pump. It was $990 to replace. __________________ 06 AW E90 330i ZPP/ZSP/Step/Expired Warranty : Prior Design Front : ACS Rear : ACS Roof : BlackLines : Simota Intake : Carbon Fiber Interior Trim : : MTEC V3 : 24% Charcoal : V1 Hardwired : Solaris Invisibulbs/LED interior :

05-02-2012, 01:05 PM	#25
badsector Private Drives: 2008 335i Coupe Join Date: May 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario, canada Posts: 74 iTrader: (0)	Just happened to me today. Last week I got the warning for low coolant. Thought it was nothing and filled it up. Yesterday empty again. Just brought it into BMW and it's the water pump. It's running me $1184.11 CAD ;( oh well at least the new parts are under warranty for a couple years.

05-02-2012, 07:40 PM	#29
lastkings2012 Private First Class Drives: Subaru Sti Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 121 iTrader: (0)	Had this happen a month ago water pump and thermostat changed 1300. 80k miles exactly

05-08-2012, 01:16 PM	#30
XxJeffxX New Member Drives: 2006 BMW 325i Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hayward, CA Posts: 9 iTrader: (0)	Sorry for the bad news but i think you might need to sell it, my water pump failed and spent about 1300 from a reputable local shop that did it. Thank god it was under warranty when it failed, i only paid 100 dollars for the deductible. The parts alone cost the shop 600, which is crazy for a water pump and thermostat

05-11-2012, 11:20 AM	#32
DimSum Banned Drives: SLOW Join Date: May 2008 Location: LITTLEBIMMER.COM Posts: 2,743 iTrader: (10)	took me 4 hours to DIY. terribly hard if you don't have a hoist to work on these cars..

05-22-2012, 10:59 PM	#36
kahoho1 First Lieutenant Drives: E92 335XI Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 319 iTrader: (4)	My water pump failed today, and it was at 66K miles. V.S. Motorsport quoted me $1250 to replace the water pump and thermostat, and also flush the coolant. The price includes the part. Is this a fair price? There was another shop named VFC Engineering in Chicago quoting me $1650 including the parts, and the shop was insane. Their price is even more expensive than BMW dealership. (I checked) First, they were dishonest when they gave out estimate about the cost of the parts, and they also over-charge customer with their labor fees. Moreover, their attitudes were really bad and didn't seem to value their customers. I paid $107 for diagnostic fee after my water pump failed and brought my car to this nearby european auto repair shop (VFC). I was very regretted of my decision and I was not even bothered to talk to the staffs at VFC after they try to overcharge me in every way they could. Then I just had my car towed to V.S. Motorsports. Bad Day!!

05-23-2012, 02:50 PM	#39
sisspc New Member Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Between Jack Daniels and Bonnaroo Posts: 18 iTrader: (0)	I replaced my water pump and thermostat this past weekend, total cost was just under $450 for parts at www.thebmwpartstore.com plus about 6 hours of my time (took my time, ate lunch, put the chain back on my son's bike, etc). I only had a jack and jack stands; I agree that a lift would make it much easier but it can be done without one. My only suggestion would be to remove the sway bar completely (it's only 2 extra screws), don't just let it hang from the end links because I knocked the shit out of my head on it . I did not take out the radiator fan either. All in all this is a very doable diy project that will save you a lot of money. To quote the great BMW diy'er smolck (and an old movie from the 90's), "what one man can do, another can do!" Save yourselves some money and tackle this project guys!

05-23-2012, 11:25 PM	#42
just4kickz boku no namae ha... Drives: 2006 BS 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: S. Bay Area, CA + Newark, NJ Posts: 10,592 iTrader: (11) Garage List 2006 E90 330i [0.00]	haha oh man i feel you. post warranty sucks. i spent 1.8k (bargain price on CCC, new amp, +labor was going to be about 3.2k but i was going to leave with my car unfixed) and then i paid for a new battery and a few other things for like antoher 1.6k __________________ looking for a PreLCI Black Sapphire e90 front bumper without license plate holes "Akimbo shotguns. Broken wrists anyone? And don't give me that 'it's just a game' bull**. Where the are my akimbo interventions then?! One scope on each eye mother**er!!"

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