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      05-28-2012, 10:07 PM   #133
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And your point? They're both sports cars that have less power. The GT500 has more then 100 hp and also has launch control. 3.5 0-60 isn't all that either for a car with launch control for that matter. I spec'd one out on ford.com and my total came to over $70k. Thats almost GTR money
you must be new in drag racing.. Don't comment on something you aren't familiar about..
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you must be new in drag racing.. Don't comment on something you aren't familiar about..
Well if I havnt done it in a long time, I guess that counts. But figure I started drag racing in 1995.... But please, keep making excuses. I can tell you're one of those, "oh you had NOS or something else, that's why I lost" type of excuse making drag racers

I guess you all are dense, so I'll make it crystal clear. Ford is marketing the GT500 as a giant killing 200mph super car (same as the ZR1). But compared to the two most compared cars on the market right now (i.e. 911 turbo and GTR), it's turning slow times. Regardless of specs, that's what they're comparing it too. That's my point. I'm not hating on your beloved Mustangs....

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Just comparing this car to the big boys is in itself a major accomplishment.

I'd rather have the comfort, sound of that v8, funfactor and look of this car than either of the gtr or the 911 turbo for the price.
The Mustang is comfortable? I rented a Mustang GT for 2 months, and after that I was clawing for a Escort on my next rental. Last GTR and 911 I rode in was pretty damn comfortable
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Well if I havnt done it in a long time, I guess that counts. But figure I started drag racing in 1995.... But please, keep making excuses. I can tell you're one of those, "oh you had NOS or something else, that's why I lost" type of excuse making drag racers

I guess you all are dense, so I'll make it crystal clear. Ford is marketing the GT500 as a giant killing 200mph super car (same as the ZR1). But compared to the two most compared cars on the market right now (i.e. 911 turbo and GTR), it's turning slow times. Regardless of specs, that's what they're comparing it too. That's my point. I'm not hating on your beloved Mustangs....
Ever heard of things called "traction" and "DCT" ? Throw some sticky tires on that gt500 and then compare to the 911 turbo and GT-R. We will see 9's from the GT500's within a year of release to genpub, forget the roll races- the GT500 will own most cars on the road. I see them competing with TTG's soon enough.

Actually- I just went back a page and read your other replies, it's obvious that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here.
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Actually- I just went back a page and read your other replies, it's obvious that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here.
Yeah you could have saved yourself some time if you just did that first.
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Actually- I just went back a page and read your other replies, it's obvious that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here.
He is clueless and loves showing us his ignorance in nearly everything he types.
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The 911 Turbo and GTR both go 10.9 @127 and 11.1 @124 respectively
I'm not a "Mustang lover"", and have never owned one, but this comparison isn't really valid. You can't compare AWD platforms against a RWD car like the GT500. There are very few (if any) cars out there based on a RWD platform that will outdrag an AWD platform of comparable performance. The traction advantage is ridiculous.
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If we are comparing cars, the most accurate information we got is the magazines times.
Yes, but I think the point Silver is making is that these debates are far too serious considering the type of vehicles being discussed, and the overall skill of the people in the discussion.

Maybe there should be a new magazine that post lap times with complete novices piloting the cars around the "Ring". In that case, the GTR would win all the comparisons based on its computer advantage alone.
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Maybe there should be a new magazine that post lap times with complete novices piloting the cars around the "Ring".
If by "novices", you mean guys like me, maybe that comparison would be best suited as "percentage of track completed before deteriorating into a fiery lump of metal".

Not sure if I'll ever really get any of my cars to the Ring anyway, so I generally like seeing tracks I could actually reach out and touch, such as VIR or Streets (ideally Autobahn CC but that won't happen).
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If by "novices", you mean guys like me, maybe that comparison would be best suited as "percentage of track completed before deteriorating into a fiery lump of metal".

Not sure if I'll ever really get any of my cars to the Ring anyway, so I generally like seeing tracks I could actually reach out and touch, such as VIR or Streets (ideally Autobahn CC but that won't happen).


There used to be this web show where people would bring their cars and compete in different challenges (1/8 mile, figure 8 course, etc).

Regardless, I think "this car beats this other car by 2 seconds on the Ring, so it's better" logic is kind of funny.
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Am I the only person who think 11.6 @ 125mph quarter mile is not impressive for a car with 662hp? The 911 Turbo and GTR both go 10.9 @127 and 11.1 @124 respectively (both Motortrend figures to make it even) with more then 100hp less. I'm sure the track times (real track, with turns) will be even worse. For the 65k, it's definitely a performance bargain. But compared to the big boys, it's still slow.
Comment of the thread. Trapping 125 is fucking fast, end of story.
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I don't drag race very often, but I know last time I went, CTS-Vs were low 12s, barely in the 116-120 range (they might go higher with better drivers). So 125 in the mid-11s is pretty damn fast.
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Ever heard of things called "traction" and "DCT" ? Throw some sticky tires on that gt500 and then compare to the 911 turbo and GT-R. We will see 9's from the GT500's within a year of release to genpub, forget the roll races- the GT500 will own most cars on the road. I see them competing with TTG's soon enough.

Actually- I just went back a page and read your other replies, it's obvious that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here.

Here's another crazy comparison from 2011....

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

Hmm, why would anyone want to compare a RWD car with a AWD car? All you can throw out is.. "AWD and DCT" Yes I know a GTR has AWD and DCT... so what??? Just like the comparision between the ZR1 and the 911 turbo in that article. They're all high horsepower sports cars PERIOD. People compare premium high horsepower sportscars to the GTR and 911 turbo because those are the standards. All those Ferari and Lambo comparisons must be crazy too since one has AWD and the other RWD. Same with comparing a 911 turbo to a Ferrari. Why would anyone compare a RS4 to a M3? Crazy talk... I can go on and on. Your arguement that one has AWD and the other RWD is so 1990s...
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I don't think anyone has a problem with your comments about AWD vs RWD, yes, people compare them.

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11.6 @ 125mph quarter mile is not impressive for a car with 662hp
Do you know many RWD cars that do mid-11s and trap 125mph outside of the Vette superstars in the Z06/ZR1? That's about as fast as a Ferrari F430 Scuderia for crying out loud.

Does that mean the Scuderia is not all that impressive?
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you must be new in drag racing.. Don't comment on something you aren't familiar about..
Well if I havnt done it in a long time, I guess that counts. But figure I started drag racing in 1995.... But please, keep making excuses. I can tell you're one of those, "oh you had NOS or something else, that's why I lost" type of excuse making drag racers

I guess you all are dense, so I'll make it crystal clear. Ford is marketing the GT500 as a giant killing 200mph super car (same as the ZR1). But compared to the two most compared cars on the market right now (i.e. 911 turbo and GTR), it's turning slow times. Regardless of specs, that's what they're comparing it too. That's my point. I'm not hating on your beloved Mustangs....
Excuses? Looks like your the one that have not a single clue of what your talking about.

Any cars that trap 125 MPH shouldnt be ignored. When it comes to drag racing, AWD will have a better launch every time compared to RWD/ FWD. That is common sense. If the new Shelby is running 11.5@ 125 MPH that means it is having trouble hooking on the stock tires. Put some drag radials with better condition and you will see 10s easily.

Let's not forget how monstrous the GT500 will be on a roll.

BTW, I have a 335. I just seem to realize that Ford made a excellent car that will demolish the 335 or M3 with MSRP at mid 50k.
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Excuses? Looks like your the one that have not a single clue of what your talking about.

Any cars that trap 125 MPH shouldnt be ignored. When it comes to drag racing, AWD will have a better launch every time compared to RWD/ FWD. That is common sense. If the new Shelby is running 11.5@ 125 MPH that means it is having trouble hooking on the stock tires. Put some drag radials with better condition and you will see 10s easily.

Let's not forget how monstrous the GT500 will be on a roll.

BTW, I have a 335. I just seem to realize that Ford made a excellent car that will demolish the 335 or M3 with MSRP at mid 50k.
Or the M5. And to the previous poster (digital), just because it's 2012- doesn't mean that the laws of physics change. An AWD will always hook better than a RWD with comparable tires. This is common sense.
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Excuses? Looks like your the one that have not a single clue of what your talking about.

Any cars that trap 125 MPH shouldnt be ignored. When it comes to drag racing, AWD will have a better launch every time compared to RWD/ FWD. That is common sense. If the new Shelby is running 11.5@ 125 MPH that means it is having trouble hooking on the stock tires. Put some drag radials with better condition and you will see 10s easily.

Let's not forget how monstrous the GT500 will be on a roll.

BTW, I have a 335. I just seem to realize that Ford made a excellent car that will demolish the 335 or M3 with MSRP at mid 50k.
I never said it wasn't fast... I said that quarter mile time wasn't that impressive for a 662hp. I expected much quicker times, closer to the 11.0~11.2 times. And since people can't read, I'll restate. For $65k it's pretty impressive, but when compared to the big boys it's not which is clear the way this car is being marketed. And the drag radials argument goes both ways.

I'm sick of arguing with people who can only bring up AWD vs RWD and manual vs DCT. They can't see the big picture.
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Am I the only person who think 11.6 @ 125mph quarter mile is not impressive for a car with 662hp? The 911 Turbo and GTR both go 10.9 @127 and 11.1 @124 respectively (both Motortrend figures to make it even) with more then 100hp less. I'm sure the track times (real track, with turns) will be even worse. For the 65k, it's definitely a performance bargain. But compared to the big boys, it's still slow.
Quoted for the selective readers or the reading handicapped.
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I never said it wasn't fast... I said that quarter mile time wasn't that impressive for a 662hp two door sports car. I expected much quicker times, closer to the 11.0~11.2 times. And since people can't read, I'll restate. For $70k it's pretty impressive, but when compared to the big boys it's not which is clear the way this car is being marketed. And the drag radials argument goes both ways.

I'm sick of arguing with people who can only bring up AWD vs RWD and manual vs DCT. They can't see the big picture.
Oh WOW. .3-.5 difference? You do know that depending on the condition, it will affect the outcome by .5 seconds or greater...

The big picture is that you are comparing a RWD with a AWD. Not just that, it is a DCT AWD. You have no idea how hard it is to outshift a automatic transmission on the drag strip. Plus, a automatic transmission will always shift faster and more accurate than manual. I mean, you wouldn't understand that because you have no clue of what is even goes on, on the drag strip.

Where the heck did you get 70k? The Mustang GT MSRP at 54k. Why are you bringing a fully loaded car price into this?
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So then, you roll up in your GT500 next to a GTR, and you'll say "Sorry sir, you have a DCT and AWD"
You so smart, that's exactly what I'd say!
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Weight, contact patch size, weight distribution, amount of wheels driven, tire compound, shift speed, and gear ratios are largely in charge of quick 1/4 mile times, or at least their importance is heightened immensely as the power levels (insert DBZ reference) escalate to absurd proportions.

Once you're putting out ludicrous power, AWD cars don't have to worry about bogging down, and RWD cars have to worry about converting the chaos into something useful, rather than turning it into a bunch of poofy, useless smoke. A car that can divvy up 600 horsepower between four tires with a (my assumption of the standard for high-po vehicles) 70/30 torque split will have a much easier time hooking up than a car sending 600hp to smother its two rear wheels into submission. The AWD vehicle in question splits that power and sends a reasonable 420hp to the rears and 180hp to the front. The only disadvantage is the powertrain inefficiency which can lead to friction-based losses which might affect runs at higher speeds, and of course the added weight from the extra differentials and whatnot isn't exactly a boon.
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I don't think anyone has a problem with your comments about AWD vs RWD, yes, people compare them.

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Do you know many RWD cars that do mid-11s and trap 125mph outside of the Vette superstars in the Z06/ZR1? That's about as fast as a Ferrari F430 Scuderia for crying out loud.

Does that mean the Scuderia is not all that impressive?
Very true. Dont forget the GT2RS is also 600+ hp, rwd and lighter than all the above and traps 133 mph.
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