E90Post
 


Lux Angel Eyes
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion > Four BMW Engines Win 2012 Engine of the Year Awards - the N20, N54, S65, N18



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      06-13-2012, 11:04 AM   #23
Eau Rouge
Captain
Eau Rouge's Avatar
United_States
14
Rep
991
Posts

 
Drives: 2012 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Florida's Emerald Coast

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2012 BMW E92 M3  [4.50]
About the 3.0 - 4.0 liter award, five years on and other manufacturers have failed to build a more worthy engine.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:05 AM   #24
///Machine
Second Lieutenant
///Machine's Avatar
United_States
4
Rep
247
Posts

 
Drives: '13 E92 M3 / '11 X5d
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: CT

iTrader: (0)

Thank you S65.
It's sad to see it you go...
Efficiency Shmefficiency. Wasn't there a Top Gear episode in which an M3 tagged along a Prius in full throttle (the Prius only, of course) and the M3 was more efficient at similar speeds?
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:08 AM   #25
bimmerjph
Lieutenant Colonel
bimmerjph's Avatar
United_States
29
Rep
1,978
Posts

 
Drives: 2002 BMW 325i
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Tennessee

iTrader: (0)

4?!?!?

Congratulations BMW!!!! Now fix the electric steering.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:12 AM   #26
ozinaldo
Brigadier General
ozinaldo's Avatar
Portugal
46
Rep
3,053
Posts

 
Drives: 1M
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lisbon, Portugal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbryce View Post
is the n54 twin power turbo though? i thought the n55 was twin power turbo

and they forgot to mention 335is
They did not forget the 335is, 335is is a market specific model limited to only US (and UK maybe?) plus 1M and Z4is versions have the highest output of 250 kw/340ps so they considered those two.

The N54 is a twin power in the sense of a bi-turbo set up with two small turbos. The N55 is a single turbo set up but with twin scroll technology.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:12 AM   #27
dnvrdrvr
Captain Obvious
dnvrdrvr's Avatar
United_States
8
Rep
799
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 Carbon X5M
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Denver, CO

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NJA///M3 View Post
Thank you S65.
It's sad to see you go...
Efficiency Shmefficiency. Wasn't there a Top Gear episode in which an M3 tagged along a Prius in full throttle (for the Prius only, of course) and the M3 was more efficient at similar speeds?
Yep. One of my favorites.
__________________
Just a girl and her 550 ponies...
www.mw3motorsports.com
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:17 AM   #28
bbg2d
Second Lieutenant
bbg2d's Avatar
4
Rep
230
Posts

 
Drives: X1 35i Sport Line
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Anchorage, AK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NJA///M3 View Post
Thank you S65.
It's sad to see it you go...
Efficiency Shmefficiency. Wasn't there a Top Gear episode in which an M3 tagged along a Prius in full throttle (the Prius only, of course) and the M3 was more efficient at similar speeds?
That's right, I remember that episode.

With these awards, maybe they should drop the n55 for the good old n54?
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:17 AM   #29
GIdriver
Major
GIdriver's Avatar
United_States
17
Rep
1,353
Posts

 
Drives: 2014 E63 AMG-S
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Somewhere in Time

iTrader: (0)

What an achievement!! S65 winner 5 years in a row!!!
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:24 AM   #30
kdbryce
I have to return some video tapes
kdbryce's Avatar
United_States
62
Rep
4,319
Posts

 
Drives: e92 335i 6mt
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Albany, NY

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozinaldo View Post
They did not forget the 335is, 335is is a market specific model limited to only US (and UK maybe?) plus 1M and Z4is versions have the highest output of 250 kw/340ps so they considered those two.

The N54 is a twin power in the sense of a bi-turbo set up with two small turbos. The N55 is a single turbo set up but with twin scroll technology.
gotcha on the 335is part

but for the twin power thing, they call all their new twin scroll single turbos "twinpower turbo" they never said that about the n54
__________________
13 Black Sapphire e92 335i - 10 Le Mans Blue e92 335i - 09 Monaco Blue e92 328i xdrive - 07 Sparkling Graphite e92 328xi
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:37 AM   #31
tibra1
Banned
No_Country
75
Rep
6,775
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 ZCP M3 - 2007 335i crashd
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC

iTrader: (4)

BMW has pretty much dominated the 2.5 - 4.0L classes...but the M3 has yet to win the coveted overall "International Engine of the Year" award...which the n54 won in 2007..

Interestingly the 1.0L - 3 cylinder Ford turbo won this for 2012...turbo is the wave of the future I thinks
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:38 AM   #32
E60orBust
Captain
United_States
15
Rep
670
Posts

 
Drives: "The Brothers //M-Sport" E90/2
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NJA///M3 View Post
Thank you S65.
It's sad to see it you go...
Efficiency Shmefficiency. Wasn't there a Top Gear episode in which an M3 tagged along a Prius in full throttle (the Prius only, of course) and the M3 was more efficient at similar speeds?
I asked a friend about that who owns a Prius. From an engineering perspective, driving the Prius at full throttle never let the electric motor engage so there was no savings in fuel economy.

So M3 owners can say their gas engine is more efficient than the gas engine in the Prius
__________________
Down for Maintenance
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:39 AM   #33
BenTrovato
Driver
BenTrovato's Avatar
Canada
21
Rep
1,576
Posts

 
Drives: e92 335i
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eau Rouge View Post
About the 3.0 - 4.0 liter award, five years on and other manufacturers have failed to build a more worthy engine.
I think we would have seen some manufacturers close in on the S65 if the economy would sustain it. BMW discontinuing an award winning engine says a lot about the direction manufacturers are headed.

Nonetheless it's great to see BMW's older engines still winning awards as well as their newer more efficient ones!
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:40 AM   #34
KingOfJericho
Major General
KingOfJericho's Avatar
United_States
96
Rep
5,198
Posts

 
Drives: Yes
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CT

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2010 135i Coupe  [2.63]
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbryce View Post
gotcha on the 335is part

but for the twin power thing, they call all their new twin scroll single turbos "twinpower turbo" they never said that about the n54
I agree with you. It's stupid. Somewhere along the line someone got lazy. They are now using the same terminology for all turbo powered engines, regardless of the number of actual turbos.
__________________
The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost.

2010 S4 Current | 2010 BMW 135i Retired | 2006 Lotus Exige Retired
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:43 AM   #35
jprooney
Private First Class
Chile
4
Rep
142
Posts

 
Drives: 2012 1M Coupe
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Santiago, Chile

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozinaldo View Post
They did not forget the 335is, 335is is a market specific model limited to only US (and UK maybe?) plus 1M and Z4is versions have the highest output of 250 kw/340ps so they considered those two.

The N54 is a twin power in the sense of a bi-turbo set up with two small turbos. The N55 is a single turbo set up but with twin scroll technology.
In Chile we also have a couple of 335is
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:44 AM   #36
jprooney
Private First Class
Chile
4
Rep
142
Posts

 
Drives: 2012 1M Coupe
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Santiago, Chile

iTrader: (0)

S65 proves to be the best engine made by BMW in many years, and maybe the best engine they have ever made
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:50 AM   #37
Bimmerlover76
Captain
Bimmerlover76's Avatar
United_States
6
Rep
599
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 335i Coupe
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Kalamazoo, MI

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbryce
is the n54 twin power turbo though? i thought the n55 was twin power turbo

and they forgot to mention 335is
N54=literally 2 identical turbos
N55=1 turbo with one small and one large spool.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:56 AM   #38
ozinaldo
Brigadier General
ozinaldo's Avatar
Portugal
46
Rep
3,053
Posts

 
Drives: 1M
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lisbon, Portugal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbryce View Post
gotcha on the 335is part

but for the twin power thing, they call all their new twin scroll single turbos "twinpower turbo" they never said that about the n54
Yes, it is confusing, our N54 is a "twin turbo", on the other hand N55 is a "twinpower" (single) turbo, God I miss old days with less labeling.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:57 AM   #39
kdbryce
I have to return some video tapes
kdbryce's Avatar
United_States
62
Rep
4,319
Posts

 
Drives: e92 335i 6mt
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Albany, NY

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozinaldo View Post
Yes, it is confusing, our N54 is a "twin turbo", on the other hand N55 is a "twinpower" (single) turbo, God I miss old days with less labeling.
amen
__________________
13 Black Sapphire e92 335i - 10 Le Mans Blue e92 335i - 09 Monaco Blue e92 328i xdrive - 07 Sparkling Graphite e92 328xi
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 11:58 AM   #40
mofbb
Lieutenant
mofbb's Avatar
Canada
16
Rep
518
Posts

 
Drives: '13 E92 M3
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: British Columbia

iTrader: (0)

Good job BMW ! Btw s65 what a beast !!
__________________
335i Cabriolet Jet Black/Coral Red - Retired but will never be forgotten
M3 Coupé DCT Competition Package Mineral White/Fox Red

E9X Picture Game: 2 points (Slow sign, Leaves)
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 12:05 PM   #41
ozinaldo
Brigadier General
ozinaldo's Avatar
Portugal
46
Rep
3,053
Posts

 
Drives: 1M
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lisbon, Portugal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jprooney View Post
In Chile we also have a couple of 335is
You do? I am not Chilean, an expat here, but not surprised that you have 335is here since Chile has everything (literally) US has! I know that BMW official dealer does not list 335is among their line up so maybe private imports

Anyway, most global markets don't have a 335is which should be a consideration for the Award Jury or probably they just chose the highest output version of N54.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 12:11 PM   #42
jprooney
Private First Class
Chile
4
Rep
142
Posts

 
Drives: 2012 1M Coupe
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Santiago, Chile

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozinaldo View Post
You do? I am not Chilean, an expat here, but not surprised that you have 335is here since Chile has everything (literally) US has! I know that BMW official dealer does not list 335is among their line up so maybe private imports

Anyway, most global markets don't have a 335is which should be a consideration for the Award Jury or probably they just chose the highest output version of N54.
Im almost sure the car was imported directly by WBM (not 100% sure), on the other side im 100% sure we do have 335is in Chile. And i agree with your last line they chose the highest output version of the N54, and that's the reason the award returned to N54 hands (previous years it was won by N55, before that it was won by N54)
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 12:18 PM   #43
DMafia46
Hates Posers
3
Rep
397
Posts

 
Drives: E46M3,335xi,Lambo,
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

n74 gets nothing
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2012, 12:18 PM   #44
Lloyd
Networking Geek
Lloyd's Avatar
United_States
6
Rep
334
Posts

 
Drives: 2014 Subaru STi 5dr
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Pembroke Pines, FL

iTrader: (2)

Send a message via AIM to Lloyd
nice, BMW nearly covers the board when it comes to 2.5-3 liters
__________________
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
bmw engine award, bmw engine awards, bmw n17 engine, bmw n20, bmw n20 engine, bmw n20 motor, bmw n54 engine, bmw n54 motor, bmw s65 engine, bmw s65 motor, n20 engine, n20 motor, n54 engine, n54 motor, s65 engine, s65 motor

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:06 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST