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      03-11-2012, 05:28 PM   #23
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Quaife LSD was my very first mod 4 yrs ago. Best mod to the 335i no doubt.
M3 rear toe links don't fit non-M cars.
I don't know that M3 toe links are stiffer than RE or other aftermarket links anyway. A few M3 track drivers have switched out their toe links for aftermarket.
yes, you are right about the M3 toe arms. However there are 2 other sets of arms from the M3's rear that fit in our car. That combined with M3 rear subframe bushings should help a ton:

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^ They have but not with the toe changes that occur during hard passing and cornering. Thx but this thread is about toe links. I have all the other parts you're mentioning.
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Great review, thanks for posting. I also had the Rogue toe links installed recently to compliment my M3 suspension and Quaife LSD; it all works wonderfully together. I feel confident putting down power now, no more moving around in the rear. The rear end in these cars squirms around noticeably without the M3 subframe bushings and the toe links.

Next step for me is coilovers to eliminate the squat/dive that occurs under acceleration/deceleration. Then a tune.
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^ Any increase in NVH with RE toe links or did you install them at the same time as the M3 components?
Sounds like a wise path to improve traction and susp prior to a tune
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^ Any increase in NVH with RE toe links or did you install them at the same time as the M3 components?
Sounds like a wise path to improve traction and susp prior to a tune
I had the M3 subframe bushings/front & rear sways/Quaife LSD all done at the same time. No difference in noise. Rear end still squirmed a bit though.

Then I had all the other parts of the M3 suspension installed (full list in my garage) and the Rogue toe arms. Love the feel of pushing the gas pedal now. Haven't put more than 15 miles on it since then so I don't have an opinion on NVH (even though it was weeks ago -work keeps me on the road), I'll report back if I notice anything.

I just can't see adding power when the car isn't setup to handle it in the first place!
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RE toe links suck!

The faint clunking sound I noticed almost right away after installing these toe links has gotten worse. Finally got around to putting the car on a lift today to check all bolts of recently replaced suspension components and they're all properly torqued. I can move RE toe links around with my hand due to those shitty spherical bearings! Gotta get with HPA and/or RE and see what the warranty is on these things. Granted CA roads aren't good like Nevada's, but I'm not a pothole or bump magnet by any means. These things should hold up for more than 3 months
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These links have increased rear end noise and harshness on city streets....
Here's latest version, HPA toe arms - looks identical to yours. Not having noticed any noise or harshness, recommend you re-torque all arm & subframe mounts w/wheel in proper position, of course.

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^ Ha! Thx for the tip (if I can figure out what the hell paint is).
Bolts are torqued. Spherical ends are sloppy. Yep, you have the same links; glad you haven't had any clunking, yet.
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^ Ha! Thx for the tip (if I can figure out what the hell paint is).
Bolts are torqued. Spherical ends are sloppy. Yep, you have the same links; glad you haven't had any clunking, yet.
That's Microsoft Paint, assuming you're using Windows; comes w/system - Start : All Programs : Accessories : Paint

You can right click on the file; select Open With : Paint

No clunk - was there a toe arm redesign @ HPA this year, or am I nuts?
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That's Microsoft Paint, assuming you're using Windows; comes w/system - Start : All Programs : Accessories : Paint

You can right click on the file; select Open With : Paint

No clunk - was there a toe arm redesign @ HPA this year, or am I nuts?
You're nuts HPA just reanodizes the RE arms black.
Thx for the MS tip.
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Both RE and HPA don't warranty the spherical joints. They are considered a wear item like brake pads. Replacement cost is $30. ea. per joint. Three months service life is terrible Anyone who wants these arms can have them when I replace them next month w/a part that functions properly on a street driven car.
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Wow, now you make me nervous. I haven't had trouble with the RE arms but have only put ~2k miles on them (3 track days). No clunking yet.

Guess I'm on a timer.
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According to HPA, I'm the first customer to have this problem with the RE toe arms. Lucky me I guess According to an engineer, this is bound to happen with spherical joints on a street driven car. VM toe arms had the same problem. Shouldn't happen after 3 months, and I shouldn't have to pay for replacement parts that soon
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So Megan toe arms are the way to go huh? Are they the only ones to offer a ball joint type?

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Here's Ground Control's toe link

http://www.ground-control-store.com/.../II=908/CA=165

Do you guys think the design is better?
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Ive had these for a year and some with track and very hard driving no noise what so ever. Ive used megan racing arms in previous cars and no problems



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Here's Ground Control's toe link

http://www.ground-control-store.com/.../II=908/CA=165

Do you guys think the design is better?
Might be same, pinch instead of lock nuts. Yes??
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Ive had these for a year and some with track and very hard driving no noise what so ever. Ive used megan racing arms in previous cars and no problems
Two features, Megan Toe Arms:
  • Constructed of Steel Alloy for Lightweight yet Durable performance.
  • Hard Rubber bushings for a more direct feel and driving experience.

Weight? Maybe no concern for street.

Dimensional stability? Gotta wonder why rubber instead o'urathane or delrin.

Still, looks almighty sturdy.

You RE/HPA toe arm replacers - do you know if the ball's ground down w/road grit? Note Ground Control's dirt boot.

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Might be same, pinch instead of lock nuts. Yes??
It says steel bushing so I thought it's not spherical joint and same design as Megan
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So Megan toe arms are the way to go huh? Are they the only ones to offer a ball joint type?
Yep. I'm either going to use the toe arms Meyle sent me or install Powerflex bushings in my oe toe arms. Not throwing any more money at these spherical joint arms.
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Ive had these for a year and some with track and very hard driving no noise what so ever. Ive used megan racing arms in previous cars and no problems
Sure wish I would have bought those instead
Wasted $300. plus labor and alignment
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