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      05-20-2012, 08:15 AM   #67
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you need atleast a full tank of 100 octane to run that map.
Terry emailed me and said a mix of 50/50 93 and 103 is ok
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I have an e90 n55 with m sports pck and I've heard it comes with BMW performance exhuast? I have jb4 and bms intake and in fl so have 93 octane gas plus nos booster so that gives me 99 octane gas can I ran any other maps besides map 1???
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I don't think so... Do you have down pipes?
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I have an e90 n55 with m sports pck and I've heard it comes with BMW performance exhuast? I have jb4 and bms intake and in fl so have 93 octane gas plus nos booster so that gives me 99 octane gas can I ran any other maps besides map 1???
No it does not come with the BMW Performance Exhaust.

Stick to Map 1.
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Alright thanks just wondering what would happen if I did run my car on map 2 full throttle???
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I've been running NOS octane booster racing formula w/ MMT for a while in my FBO setup (with Meth) and I am on the fence with 2 options:

1. 70/30 mix of 93/E85

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2. full tank of 93 with 1 bottle (32 oz) Torco Mach 1 Accelerator = 101 octane

Here's the deal... the NOS MMT will NOT give you more than 94/95 octane rating on a 16 gallon tank... not going to happen... the Torco option is true racing additive and does contain MMT. It's the best option (through my research) vs. VP or e85 mix with 93 to attain 100+ octane levels. The biggest issue the n55 will have is premature detonation and blowing a valve seat. I have read many folks using this on the Corvette and Charger forums...

After speaking to Terry (he knows my configuration) we have agreed to to the 70/30 mix first - log the runs and go from there. If you aren't logging before/after - you are wasting your time and money - butt dyno is crap.

I'm on the hunt for 400 rw and it's in my sights but you have to be modded to the hilt - everything but the turbo swap.

For what it's worth, I have been running the NOS MMT bottle every fill-up for the past year and a half, I pull a random plug from time to time and I'm a little orange in there (from the MMT) but they still look great so be methodical in everything you do - LOG LOG LOG! I rotate between MAP 3 and MAP 7 all the time (the only 2 MAPS I use and to be honest - MAP 3 METH and MAP 7 feel the same to me, but logs show boost higher on MAP 3 15-16 throughout power band and 17.x on peak with 18 as safety limit.

I'm curious to see the results with the Torco product vs. the 70/30 mix.

http://torcoracefuel.net/1-pix-torco...or-bottles.jpg

http://torcoracefuel.net/pro-accelerator.html

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I've been running NOS octane booster racing formula w/ MMT for a while in my FBO setup (with Meth) and I am on the fence with 2 options:

1. 70/30 mix of 93/E85

or

2. full tank of 93 with 1 bottle (32 oz) Torco Mach 1 Accelerator = 101 octane

Here's the deal... the NOS MMT will NOT give you more than 94/95 octane rating on a 16 gallon tank... not going to happen... the Torco option is true racing additive and does contain MMT. It's the best option (through my research) vs. VP or e85 mix with 93 to attain 100+ octane levels. The biggest issue the n55 will have is premature detonation and blowing a valve seat. I have read many folks using this on the Corvette and Charger forums...

After speaking to Terry (he knows my configuration) we have agreed to to the 70/30 mix first - log the runs and go from there. If you aren't logging before/after - you are wasting your time and money - butt dyno is crap.

I'm on the hunt for 400 rw and it's in my sights but you have to be modded to the hilt - everything but the turbo swap.

For what it's worth, I have been running the NOS MMT bottle every fill-up for the past year and a half, I pull a random plug from time to time and I'm a little orange in there (from the MMT) but they still look great so be methodical in everything you do - LOG LOG LOG! I rotate between MAP 3 and MAP 7 all the time (the only 2 MAPS I use and to be honest - MAP 3 METH and MAP 7 feel the same to me, but logs show boost higher on MAP 3 15-16 throughout power band and 17.x on peak with 18 as safety limit.

I'm curious to see the results with the Torco product vs. the 70/30 mix.

http://torcoracefuel.net/1-pix-torco...or-bottles.jpg

http://torcoracefuel.net/pro-accelerator.html

interesting..
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      07-10-2012, 07:18 PM   #74
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Can I run map 7 on 76 Cool Blue 100? I use to run this on my VW GTI 1.8t on race mode, and worked fine
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No, 1 point is equal to .1 octane. So 10 points equals 1 octane. The octane booster I'm referring to increases your octane a full 60 points which equals a 6 octane increase. My CA 91 turns into 97 octane.
so my 93oct w/ the nos booster would be equivalent to running race gas or close (99oct)? maybe i can run map 7= ).. whats u guys think? or do u think im better off running 70/30 93/e85 mix? let me know what u guys think. ill do a few logs this week to compare.

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so my 93oct w/ the nos booster would be equivalent to running race gas or close (99oct)? maybe i can run map 7= ).. whats u guys think?
Not exactly. It depends on your mods.

The NOS MMT Octane boost will get you to 94/95 octane. The Torco Mach 1 MMT (32 oz. bottle) to 1 full tank of 93 octane will get you to 100 octane rating.

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you can do a blend of 93 octane and e85 (E85 is an abbreviation for an ethanol fuel blend of up to 85% denatured ethanol fuel and gasoline or other hydrocarbon by volume) which will yield similar results as the TORCO additive for less $$.

Bear in mind that the 93/e85 blend is mainly intended to work in conjunction with Methanol injection and the Jb4 Stage 2 tune. IF you do not have this, you will need to wait for the BMS e85 wiring bundle. (Per Terry @ BMS)

That being said, depending on your configuration, you will need to do the MMT additive (NOS MMT or TORCO MMT) or the 93/e85 blend 50/50 or 70/30 respectively.

Pick your poison.


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Not exactly. It depends on your mods.

The NOS MMT Octane boost will get you to 94/95 octane. The Torco Mach 1 MMT (32 oz. bottle) to 1 full tank of 93 octane will get you to 100 octane rating.

OR

you can do a blend of 93 octane and e85 (E85 is an abbreviation for an ethanol fuel blend of up to 85% denatured ethanol fuel and gasoline or other hydrocarbon by volume) which will yield similar results as the TORCO additive for less $$.

Bear in mind that the 93/e85 blend is mainly intended to work in conjunction with Methanol injection and the Jb4 Stage 2 tune. IF you do not have this, you will need to wait for the BMS e85 wiring bundle. (Per Terry @ BMS)

That being said, depending on your configuration, you will need to do the MMT additive (NOS MMT or TORCO MMT) or the 93/e85 blend 50/50 or 70/30 respectively.

Pick your poison.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-eng...crease-hp.html

http://horsepowercalculators.net/e85...e85-calculator
Very informative, so if I add torco to 93 octane I can run map7? Right now I only run map7 with 50/50 103/93 octane.
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so if I add torco to 93 octane I can run map7?
You have the Jb4 with catless dp correct?... do u have a cp and fmic? I know u r "x" so not sure of ur config...I know you've been at this for a while........ the 50/50 103/93 octane is the safest approach and it keeps things clean in ur engine. How long have you been using the 50/50 mix? What do your logs show as compared to straight 93? You should have noted a significant increase in power in MAP 7 with the 50/50, am I correct? Log MAP7 3 times for an average - save the data for comparison later. (save the csv files)

the Torco is worth a try in your case... I'm curious to see the change in a MAP 7 log csv ... (also, do u have the e85 harness for ur Jb4 since u do not have methanol injection?)

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You have the Jb4 with catless dp correct?... do u have a cp and fmic? I know u r "x" so not sure of ur config...I know you've been at this for a while........ the 50/50 103/93 octane is the safest approach and it keeps things clean in ur engine. How long have you been using the 50/50 mix? What do your logs show as compared to straight 93? You should have noted a significant increase in power in MAP 7 with the 50/50, am I correct? Log MAP7 3 times for an average - save the data for comparison later. (save the csv files)

the Torco is worth a try in your case... I'm curious to see the change in a MAP 7 log csv ... (also, do u have the e85 harness for ur Jb4 since u do not have methanol injection?)

Link to order Torco 1 QT (Unleaded): http://torcoracefuel.net/pro-accelerator.html

I have dp,cp and intake with jb4 but I don't have fmic. Map7 with 50/50 mix of 93/103 is a big difference from map2 or 5. Don't have Meth yet but that is next and believe it or not I still have not logged :-( lol but I will soon. Everything has been butt dyno so far but I do have a sensitive butt :-). I ordered 6 bottles and will test it out and compare it with 103 octane.
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I have dp,cp and intake with jb4 but I don't have fmic. Map7 with 50/50 mix of 93/103 is a big difference from map2 or 5. Don't have Meth yet but that is next and believe it or not I still have not logged :-( lol but I will soon. Everything has been butt dyno so far but I do have a sensitive butt :-). I ordered 6 bottles and will test it out and compare it with 103 octane.
you NEED to be logging. whenever you can. I am interested in this as well. I would like to see some logs after you try out the octane booster...
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you NEED to be logging. whenever you can. I am interested in this as well. I would like to see some logs after you try out the octane booster...
that is the plan, i will do it soon.
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