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      09-14-2012, 05:09 PM   #287
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I think new locks would be a fairly long & hence expensive fix & it still wouldn't do anything for the OBD problem
I agree,and I very much doubt replacing the locks is going to happen,for the very reason/s you've mentioned.
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      09-15-2012, 05:48 AM   #288
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HI,

wow this thread has got very long.

but glad we are hoping to get somewhere with BMW.

i phoned and got the same story details taken, and i will be contacted within 8 weeks by my local dealer.

Lets see what happens.

i am moving my obd port tomorrow morning anyway.
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Screwdiver in the door lock, and the windows drop,hence some cars are being nicked without the glass being broken.
I thought it was to do with signal jammers and clonning the keys before stealing the car.
But who knows, how many other methods are out there.
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How secure is the BMW remote? I assume that it has rolling codes but how secure does that make it & does code grabbing work with rolling codes?
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I thought it was to do with signal jammers and clonning the keys before stealing the car.
But who knows, how many other methods are out there.
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How secure is the BMW remote? I assume that it has rolling codes but how secure does that make it & does code grabbing work with rolling codes?
The remote is perfectly secure. The stolen cars are NOT being stolen using cloned keys. There are tons of threads here and on PH explaining how they're being taken - I'm surprised that Makkan, being able to code himself, wasn't aware of this already...
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The remote is perfectly secure. The stolen cars are NOT being stolen using cloned keys. There are tons of threads here and on PH explaining how they're being taken - I'm surprised that Makkan, being able to code himself, wasn't aware of this already...
I think Makkan was saying that the lack of broken glass is more likely to be down to "signal jammers" preventing the car locking & then "cloning" via OBD, in response to Hotcoupes screwdriver/lock scenario

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I thought it was to do with signal jammers and clonning the keys before stealing the car.
But who knows, how many other methods are out there.
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That's it though, the keys aren't being cloned. 99% likely the thieves only have one key, so there's probably not even any record of unusual sales of spare keys.
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so there's probably not even any record of unusual sales of spare keys.
Not unless Ebay make a record of all the keys they've sold,it will certainly eclipse the number that BMW parts depts sell to real punters that's for sure.
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Not unless Ebay make a record of all the keys they've sold,it will certainly eclipse the number that BMW parts depts sell to real punters that's for sure.
Ebay? Make a record of keys sold?
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So here's a novel thought..talking to my brother and his tech ( he runs an ICE garage), for autos you can't start the car without putting your foot on the brake. So add a simple switch ( hidden away) to the brake electric cable... Wouldn't that work?
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I haven't read all the posts so sorry if already answered, but what are BMW doing, moving the port?

Well I also hope they provide a massive sticker saying the port has been moved. Because it will be to late when they have smashed the window and then realise they can't find the port.

After having 2 failed attempts of my 3 series being stolen, after the 2nd time it would have been easier it being stolen and not returned! Replacing control units, keys, glass, door trims.. gets tiresome.

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I also hope they provide a massive sticker saying the port has been moved. Because it will be to late when they have smashed the window and then realise they can't find the port.
There'll probably be 2 stickers, one saying "OBD Port Moved" & the other a big arrow with "Here It Is", just in case the BMW techs can't find it.
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BMW said that 2006 E90s are not affected due to different software when compared to the newer models.

I have got the 2006 E90 so I suppose I should be happy.

Ive seen on many BMWs, in order to start up the car, the key fob needs to be inserted and then the start button pressed.

In my case before pressing the start button I need to push the clutch all the way and then I can press the start button in order to fire up the car.

How is it in your case ?
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I don't know, I always put the clutch in anyway so it's not something I've ever thought about
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I don't know, I always put the clutch in anyway so it's not something I've ever thought about
Put the car in neutral and try pressing the start button on its own once the key fob is inserted. My car would not start like so as I must press the clutch first.
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Put the car in neutral and try pressing the start button on its own once the key fob is inserted. My car would not start like so as I must press the clutch first.
I thought all E9* manual cars were like this.
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I think Makkan was saying that the lack of broken glass is more likely to be down to "signal jammers" preventing the car locking & then "cloning" via OBD, in response to Hotcoupes screwdriver/lock scenario
Thanks IanS for explaining what I was saying.



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I'm surprised that Makkan, being able to code himself, wasn't aware of this already...
Mate, it is my ignorance that I do not take interest in negative stuff.

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That's it though, the keys aren't being cloned. 99% likely the thieves only have one key, so there's probably not even any record of unusual sales of spare keys.
Interesting. My understanding is that even though you use one key, but you are linking that key to different cars, and it is still considered 'clonning that key to that car' as technically you are using the genes of that car

I may be totally wrong on this mate unless the car suffers from erectile dysfunction.


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There'll probably be 2 stickers, one saying "OBD Port Moved" & the other a big arrow with "Here It Is", just in case the BMW techs can't find it.

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So here's a novel thought..talking to my brother and his tech ( he runs an ICE garage), for autos you can't start the car without putting your foot on the brake. So add a simple switch ( hidden away) to the brake electric cable... Wouldn't that work?

Unfotunately, that is not a very good solution. Being coder I observe that each bmw has an option to escape this. Just a matter of ticking an option box.
So with coding, you can skip that step.

And if they can code a key to your car, it is not difficult to code that option with the same hardware but tweaking / adding another option.
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BMW said that 2006 E90s are not affected due to different software when compared to the newer models.

I have got the 2006 E90 so I suppose I should be happy.

Ive seen on many BMWs, in order to start up the car, the key fob needs to be inserted and then the start button pressed.

In my case before pressing the start button I need to push the clutch all the way and then I can press the start button in order to fire up the car.

How is it in your case ?
I'm yet to be convinced about the '2006 not affected' story. Mine is 2006 so technically not affected, but i also know it had updated software from the dealer in 2008 when i bought it (getting the silver nav screen etc.) - [this was an attempt to make iphones work with E9x which didnt share phonebooks at the time - now an issue long since fixed]. So is mine vulnerable or not?
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I'm yet to be convinced about the '2006 not affected' story. Mine is 2006 so technically not affected, but i also know it had updated software from the dealer in 2008 when i bought it (getting the silver nav screen etc.) - [this was an attempt to make iphones work with E9x which didnt share phonebooks at the time - now an issue long since fixed]. So is mine vulnerable or not?
It depends what kind of software they have uploaded, the 2006 one or later one. I am just thinking, why is the old software safe ? Is it that the computer cuts off the OBD port once the car is turned off and closed ? I think there is no point anyway for the OBD port to be activated when the car is locked as there is no point of using it Also BMW's fantastic design is that there is no glass break sensor and the sensor to activating the alarm doesnt cover the 4 inch are down the driver's door. The OBD port is located within great position

The security company who worked with BMW on the very special design just made all of this in mind for the thieves to steal our cars so they could also earn money selling their codes to other companies to making these key coding devices.

Thousands or even millions of people have heard about it and I suppose the BMW sales will drop down so maybe then BMW will think about all this !
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about insurance companies not paying for stolen cars
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