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      09-29-2012, 02:05 AM   #23
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Very cool! Sounds like that launch strategy is the perfect way to mitigate traction issues for RWD. Did the GTR launch too? I'm impressed as hell, if so- launching an AWD car isnt the most difficult of tasks.
Launching AWD isn't challenging from a driver perspective, it's just hard on the drivetrain. I've eaten more than a few clutches on my STi which supposedly puts down 472 ft/lbs of peak torque. (And 8 hours labour to do it)

BMW just needs to put out a 4L inline 6, then we'll be back on top for a while, and maybe drop 6-800lbs from the car.

The new ZL1 Camaro (oh, what a noise it makes) is nothing to scoff at either. I was toying with that or a CTS-V (same engine) for my next comfy sleeper.

Most Domestics have really stepped up their game in the last few years. There's that new mustang too that has something silly like 662 RWHP. From the factory. For under $70,000. Brakes are crap, but boy does she go.

CTS-V/ZL1 put out 500'ish, and are just a pulley upgrade away from even more HP. New supercharger has a WTAIC right on it. None of this silly FMIC plumbing, or routing of lines everywhere just cool air right into the engine. The LSx is a VERY robust platform, and I can get a set of ported cylinder heads with no core charge for like $4k or less from a number of suppliers. VAC wants $3500 just for a core charge on the N54 head, and doesn't actually list the pricing for upgraded everything.
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for 2011-12..the 5.0 is one of the car that impressed me the most

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for 2011-12..the 5.0 is one of the car that impressed me the most

Would probably even be a tenth quicker if the driver didn't weigh 250 lbs or so.
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I ran one a few months back. From a dig. I still had my winter tires and he had Nittos (the newer road tires not the DRs). He had intake, exhaust and tune. He showed me his dyno as well. 400rwhp. Can not remember the torque. He beat me at the light then pulled a car on me. Those things launch HARD. I don't remember ever seeing so much suspension drop and front end rise on the street before (on street tires and unprepped surface). After that one car I stuck him. So as many have stated, from a dig in a rear drive car you are done unless you have the time and power to reel him in. He had suspension too. I was just happy I stuck him like I did. At that time I had similar mods. DCI, cat-back and ProCede stage 2 tune. I was having some KR up top (still am) so maybe I could have reeled some of that in...once I get the KR nailed down.
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Reading these race stories, Im kinda shocked.
Im assuming these were all 6mt cars with average drivers.
My friends 5.0 that I raced and test drove is a automatic and damn that that car move.
He ran a 12.2 with a cai, tune, exhaust( axle back) and gears (4 10) and street tires(285s)
His car ridiculously outlaunches mine( both automatic). And since we have poor top end( on stock turbos) I really cant see how there is even a comparison between these cars.
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oh whatever... if the 5.0 is so bad ass buy one lol.. a new 5.0 in stock trim shouldn't beat a 335i with a tune and some E85 unless the 335i guy can't launch/drive. I haven't seen a stock 5.0 get out of the low 13s at the track here. magazine numbers and examples of FBO 5.0s with tune nitrous and skinnies in the front arent really relevant to the question. put it this way, take your car to the track (not vbox) the real track and see what you run vs the competitors. go a few times ( the busier the better) and you will get a feel for real world scenarios in your area. the 5.0 is an impressive car no doubt , but unless is has quite a bit done to it, I don't even blink at them on the road anymore bcuz like I stated, they are .5 to a whole second slower in the quarter than my car with just tune,dci and E85 mix. when I see them run mid 12s in street trim for 600 dollars in mods, I'll be impressed. WHEN I SEE IT HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA*
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oh whatever... if the 5.0 is so bad ass buy one lol.. a new 5.0 in stock trim shouldn't beat a 335i with a tune and some E85 unless the 335i guy can't launch/drive. I haven't seen a stock 5.0 get out of the low 13s at the track here. magazine numbers and examples of FBO 5.0s with tune nitrous and skinnies in the front arent really relevant to the question. put it this way, take your car to the track (not vbox) the real track and see what you run vs the competitors. go a few times ( the busier the better) and you will get a feel for real world scenarios in your area. the 5.0 is an impressive car no doubt , but unless is has quite a bit done to it, I don't even blink at them on the road anymore bcuz like I stated, they are .5 to a whole second slower in the quarter than my car with just tune,dci and E85 mix. when I see them run mid 12s in street trim for 600 dollars in mods, I'll be impressed. WHEN I SEE IT HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA*
To be fair, new to new. The 335 is more expensive, wont outrun the 5.0 in stock trims and would need more money to catch up. If you really want a magazine race, spend your 50k on a new 335i, then spend the exact same 50k on a 5.0 The car is 36k, add Kenne Bell for 6 more grand. Its still cheaper with 640hp. Thats new to new. As for used, the scenario gets even better for the Mustang. As for bang for the buck, your right, we can strap on over 100hp for less than 500 bucks, another 100hp for another 500 bucks. Still ricer math aside dollar for dollar E9x vs 5.0 Mustang new or used its going to win in a straight line. I work at a Ford dealership, I drive them daily so telling me whats wrong and right about the car is not needed. Fact is that its a very impressive motor, with a low price. As well if you wanna magazine race some more, put a Laguna Seca (55k car) against the M3. You might not want to see the car and driver version of that race.
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oh whatever... if the 5.0 is so bad ass buy one lol.. a new 5.0 in stock trim shouldn't beat a 335i with a tune and some E85 unless the 335i guy can't launch/drive. I haven't seen a stock 5.0 get out of the low 13s at the track here. magazine numbers and examples of FBO 5.0s with tune nitrous and skinnies in the front arent really relevant to the question. put it this way, take your car to the track (not vbox) the real track and see what you run vs the competitors. go a few times ( the busier the better) and you will get a feel for real world scenarios in your area. the 5.0 is an impressive car no doubt , but unless is has quite a bit done to it, I don't even blink at them on the road anymore bcuz like I stated, they are .5 to a whole second slower in the quarter than my car with just tune,dci and E85 mix. when I see them run mid 12s in street trim for 600 dollars in mods, I'll be impressed. WHEN I SEE IT HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA*
That was like a block of 3.8 run-on/comma splice sentences. No disagreement with your post, just thought I would point that out. That is all.
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To be fair, new to new. The 335 is more expensive, wont outrun the 5.0 in stock trims and would need more money to catch up. If you really want a magazine race, spend your 50k on a new 335i, then spend the exact same 50k on a 5.0 The car is 36k, add Kenne Bell for 6 more grand. Its still cheaper with 640hp. Thats new to new. As for used, the scenario gets even better for the Mustang. As for bang for the buck, your right, we can strap on over 100hp for less than 500 bucks, another 100hp for another 500 bucks. Still ricer math aside dollar for dollar E9x vs 5.0 Mustang new or used its going to win in a straight line. I work at a Ford dealership, I drive them daily so telling me whats wrong and right about the car is not needed. Fact is that its a very impressive motor, with a low price. As well if you wanna magazine race some more, put a Laguna Seca (55k car) against the M3. You might not want to see the car and driver version of that race.
good points and not disagreeing. I'll say this though, a new 5.0 cost as much or more than my 08 335i with minor mods. So by your standards I'm kickin ass lol. Will a modded 5.0 beat a modded 335i in the quarter mile ? Depends on the definition of modded. It all comes down to who can drive. Saying that 5.0s will out launch a 335i is too generic of a comment. None of it means anything until you heads up race them from a dig. I guarantee for every 5.0 that beat a 335i from a dig, there is a 335i that beat a 5.0 from a dig. Don't get me wrong, like I stated in my first post, the 5.0 is impressive. But guess what, so is the 335i. It's preference at this point. Either way, I hope to see some stock or near stock 5.0s in the 12s next time I'm at the track. Maybe every single 6.0 GTO, 5.0 mustang and camaro Ss I've seen running 12.8-14.0 completely sucked ass at driving? but I doubt that lol.
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Its a simple fact that typically factory FI with small displacement will not compete with aftermarket FI and large displacement.

Factory FI is not typically meant as a straight performance modification, it is for the aid of gas economy and performance whereas all aftermarket FI kits are developed for straight performance.

Our cars with mods can handle the 5.0 in decent trim but once you strap on FI onto the motor it's goodbye 335.
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good points and not disagreeing. I'll say this though, a new 5.0 cost as much or more than my 08 335i with minor mods. So by your standards I'm kickin ass lol. Will a modded 5.0 beat a modded 335i in the quarter mile ? Depends on the definition of modded. It all comes down to who can drive. Saying that 5.0s will out launch a 335i is too generic of a comment. None of it means anything until you heads up race them from a dig. I guarantee for every 5.0 that beat a 335i from a dig, there is a 335i that beat a 5.0 from a dig. Don't get me wrong, like I stated in my first post, the 5.0 is impressive. But guess what, so is the 335i. It's preference at this point. Either way, I hope to see some stock or near stock 5.0s in the 12s next time I'm at the track. Maybe every single 6.0 GTO, 5.0 mustang and camaro Ss I've seen running 12.8-14.0 completely sucked ass at driving? but I doubt that lol.
You see what I sell vs what I drive. I love the mustang, love the overall refinement of the BMW more.
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You see what I sell vs what I drive. I love the mustang, love the overall refinement of the BMW more.


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Would probably even be a tenth quicker if the driver didn't weigh 250 lbs or so.
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oh whatever... if the 5.0 is so bad ass buy one lol.. a new 5.0 in stock trim shouldn't beat a 335i with a tune and some E85 unless the 335i guy can't launch/drive. I haven't seen a stock 5.0 get out of the low 13s at the track here. magazine numbers and examples of FBO 5.0s with tune nitrous and skinnies in the front arent really relevant to the question. put it this way, take your car to the track (not vbox) the real track and see what you run vs the competitors. go a few times ( the busier the better) and you will get a feel for real world scenarios in your area. the 5.0 is an impressive car no doubt , but unless is has quite a bit done to it, I don't even blink at them on the road anymore bcuz like I stated, they are .5 to a whole second slower in the quarter than my car with just tune,dci and E85 mix. when I see them run mid 12s in street trim for 600 dollars in mods, I'll be impressed. WHEN I SEE IT HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA*
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They eventually got it into the 12.7's....showroom stock.
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They eventually got it into the 12.7's....showroom stock.

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e90post... kids picking up used n54's and magazine racing... is turning into e46fanatics
not sure who you are directing this to. My point was to say screw the magazine racing and supposed stock numbers for 0 to 60 1/4 mile etc. None of that matters in the real world. Case in point, last time at the track a supercharged Z06 was running mid 12s to low 13s. His best time was 12.28
yes his traps were in the 118-122mph range so on a highway from a roll he would smoke me. But at the track, from a dig, he only had one run to beat my best run of 12.4 is my car faster than his? NO! im not ignorant. Could i beat him in the quarter mile? On that night on that track with that driver, YES i did repeatedly post better times.
Case in point, put down the magazines, forget about the he said she said, and go to a track and see what you(generalized) run vs the competion.

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not buying those trap speeds... 335s with meth and fbo can do the same thing by that token.
Not buying?

I only speak from experience, not keyboard racing here.

My buddy ran 12.2 @ 118 with Intake,Tune, and Cat Delete. (Stock axle back and stock headers and stock street tires).

FYI 3 of my good friends have these mustangs, and I sell about 600 parts for them.

Oh and just some food for thought, 335i's with just a Tune,intake, and Meth can trap that actually, ask me how i know?

What needs to be understood here is one of the biggest factors with any race, and that is the driver.

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oh whatever... if the 5.0 is so bad ass buy one lol.. a new 5.0 in stock trim shouldn't beat a 335i with a tune and some E85 unless the 335i guy can't launch/drive. I haven't seen a stock 5.0 get out of the low 13s at the track here. magazine numbers and examples of FBO 5.0s with tune nitrous and skinnies in the front arent really relevant to the question. put it this way, take your car to the track (not vbox) the real track and see what you run vs the competitors. go a few times ( the busier the better) and you will get a feel for real world scenarios in your area. the 5.0 is an impressive car no doubt , but unless is has quite a bit done to it, I don't even blink at them on the road anymore bcuz like I stated, they are .5 to a whole second slower in the quarter than my car with just tune,dci and E85 mix. when I see them run mid 12s in street trim for 600 dollars in mods, I'll be impressed. WHEN I SEE IT HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA*
Why would you compare a tuned/e85 335i to a stock 5.0?

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not buying those trap speeds... 335s with meth and fbo can do the same thing by that token.
Not buying?

I only speak from experience, not keyboard racing here.

My buddy ran 12.2 @ 118 with Intake,Tune, and Cat Delete. (Stock axle back and stock headers and stock street tires).

FYI 3 of my good friends have these mustangs, and I sell about 600 parts for them.

Oh and just some food for thought, 335i's with just a Tune,intake, and Meth can trap that actually, ask me how i know?

What needs to be understood here is one of the biggest factors with any race, and that is the driver.
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Wake up bro, its a 3 series, its made for a younger crowd, move onto a 5 or 7 series if you dont like it.
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