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      10-04-2012, 07:26 PM   #1
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another reliabilty thread

Is a 2010 n54 335i scary to buy with out warranty?
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Yeah, go for it. It's a bmw, not a Honda. HPFP is under control, and there are no common expensive repairs that currently affect the n54. Coils and Injectors are relatively cheap, and the waterpump replacements are across the board on the 3 series. Turbos are not known for failing.. it used to be that the early 07s would develop wastegate rattle, but it's not something that should concern your 2010 n54. I'm not saying it's a reliable car, but it's not a money hole either. $500 a year should cover repairs and maintenance easily (assuming you're not doing bs $250 oil changes at the dealer and $400 spark plug replacements)
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Yeah, go for it. It's a bmw, not a Honda. HPFP is under control, and there are no common expensive repairs that currently affect the n54. Coils and Injectors are relatively cheap, and the waterpump replacements are across the board on the 3 series. Turbos are not known for failing.. it used to be that the early 07s would develop wastegate rattle, but it's not something that should concern your 2010 n54. I'm not saying it's a reliable car, but it's not a money hole either. $500 a year should cover repairs and maintenance easily (assuming you're not doing bs $250 oil changes at the dealer and $400 spark plug replacements)
very off topic, but do u have jet black? what color kidneys did u go piano or matte? lol im having a hard time decidin
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very off topic, but do u have jet black? what color kidneys did u go piano or matte? lol im having a hard time decidin
My car is sparkling graphite, I guess the dark signature picture doesn't make it very clear.
With a black car, I think I would get matte to distinguish between the bumper and the grills. I guess it depends on the rest of the car.
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Yeah, go for it. It's a bmw, not a Honda. HPFP is under control, and there are no common expensive repairs that currently affect the n54. Coils and Injectors are relatively cheap, and the waterpump replacements are across the board on the 3 series. Turbos are not known for failing.. it used to be that the early 07s would develop wastegate rattle, but it's not something that should concern your 2010 n54. I'm not saying it's a reliable car, but it's not a money hole either. $500 a year should cover repairs and maintenance easily (assuming you're not doing bs $250 oil changes at the dealer and $400 spark plug replacements)
thanks for the info bro!
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Is a 2010 n54 335i scary to buy with out warranty?
yea sorry for butting into your thread, but it all depends on the actual 335 that you're looking at. Most important is mileage, how many owners, financed or leased, maintenance history, what maintenance needs to be immediately done. If all things are good, go for it!
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Most important is mileage, how many owners, financed or leased, maintenance history, what maintenance needs to be immediately done.
those are most important?
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those are most important?
ya dont agree? How the car was recently treated doesn't matter to you?
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ya dont agree? How the car was recently treated doesn't matter to you?
This is THE most important thing.
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This is THE most important thing.
Yea, I was just replying to Verbatim who didn't seem to agree much, could be a misinterpretation
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According to Consumer Reports, the 2010 335i has a "worse than average" repair record. Older ones tend to be "much worse than average". But that is probably due to the HPFP issue, which by itself is rated "much worse than average", which would drag down the overall ratings.

I think it depends on the following:

(1) How has the car been treated? Some on these boards believe in breaking them in with a "drive it like you stole it" philosophy. And some that lease figure "I can drive it very hard because I'm turning it in before the warranty runs out". But the vast majority probably treat their cars well.
(2) Has the car been modded to get more HP and torque? Who knows what the long term consequences of that are?
(3) Have the fluids been changed regularly, especially the engine oil?
(4) Has the car been tracked or raced on the street?
(5) If it's from a cold climate, has salt caused any rust?

The bottom line is that:

- It's important to get used cars checked out by experts on the make and model.
- 335i's are probably going to have more problems than most.
- Is it worth the extra inconvenience and expense to enjoy the thrill of spooling up those turbos and driving a great sports sedan or coupe?
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depends who owned it

I wouldn't buy a lease returned 335i. I'd only buy a 335i from a private party you can meet to find out how the car was broken in, driven and maintained. My car has been problem free over 5 yrs but many aren't.
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I would personally be hesitant to buy any ~2 year old car with >50,000 miles. But if the car comes from a reliable source and has complete maintenance and service records I don't see it being a huge issue. As a general rule these cars are finicky and cost more to maintain properly than other makes/models. My personal advice would be to look for a car that still has some warranty (factory or CPO) available and lower miles, even if it's a year or 2 older.
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ya dont agree? How the car was recently treated doesn't matter to you?
I'm sorry, but what you said earlier was not "how the car was treated"... it was just a list of statistics about a car that guarantee nothing.

Mileage: It depends on the types of miles that were put on the car; Was the car used for a 2 mile commute with 45,000 miles on the odometer, or was the car driven 40 miles each way with 60,000 miles on the odometer?
Number of owners: Unless it's some outrageous number, and this depends on how old the car is, most people like to get a new car every few years and this shouldn't be a concern. Let's say a one-owner '02 325i was for sale.. if the owner kept the car for a decade, why is he/she suddenly selling it now?) You can not strongly correlate the number of owners to a car's condition.
Maintenance History: How do you plan on getting this if you're purchasing from a dealer? Has it crossed your mind that people do their own maintenance, or take it to an independent shop? You shouldn't pass up on a good car because it lacks full documentation about it's maintenance.
What maintenance needs to be immediately done: All you need to do is factor in the cost of the upcoming maintenance in the price of the car. If the car needs new brake pads in the front and an oil change, factor in another $300 to the cost of the car. Buying a car with an over-due maintenance item is a red flag obviously.


Most important in my opinion would be getting a complete inspection done by a competent mechanic that you trust. None of those items previously mentioned will mean anything if the car has been neglected. The most important thing about a car isn't the carfax
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Car should work fine, but if it doesn't, it's gonna cost you an arm and a leg. I'd rather buy one with CPO than a more recent one without.
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They extended the warranty on the turbos due to wastegate failure to 8 years 82k! You'll be fine with everything else, just make sure you maintain it right!

BTW... I just took my car in for slight wastegate rattle on cold starts! They are replacing my turbos haha. Took the car in with FBOs. I was shocked.
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They extended the warranty on the turbos due to wastegate failure to 8 years 82k! You'll be fine with everything else, just make sure you maintain it right!

BTW... I just took my car in for slight wastegate rattle on cold starts! They are replacing my turbos haha. Took the car in with FBOs. I was shocked.
in the US, the same thing doesn't apply to canada or any other country. and yes, used bmw without warranty is a money HOLE.
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