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      10-25-2012, 03:32 PM   #45
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Dealership fail. Replace dealership. What they are telling you is so beyond stupid it is almost inconceivable. I'd call BMWNA and report them, they should not be allowed to touch another car.
Confirmed that the dealership is blaming the staggering on my car and that all 4 wheels have to match exactly for X-Drive.

Note that the dealership accessory for the 2005 to 2012 335xi is an 18x8 front, 18x8.5 rear...
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      10-25-2012, 05:22 PM   #46
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Confirmed that the dealership is blaming the staggering on my car and that all 4 wheels have to match exactly for X-Drive.

Note that the dealership accessory for the 2005 to 2012 335xi is an 18x8 front, 18x8.5 rear...
Yes, I know, my car came with them from the factory, with the exact same size tires you have. It's on the original window sticker for fuck's sake these people are complete idiots.
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      10-25-2012, 08:27 PM   #47
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I could be wrong but this is what a BMW tech told me. Any XDrive built before mid 2007 can not have upgrade or staggered wheels. BMW redesigned xdrive system for 2008 which explains why they now offered factory staggere on x cars from that year on. As i was shoppping for wheels for my X drive the guys at Tirerack said same thing to me. He would not put staggered on 2007 and previous drivetrain. Maybe this could be your issue. The production date of your car.
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      10-26-2012, 06:18 AM   #48
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I could be wrong but this is what a BMW tech told me. Any XDrive built before mid 2007 can not have upgrade or staggered wheels. BMW redesigned xdrive system for 2008 which explains why they now offered factory staggere on x cars from that year on. As i was shoppping for wheels for my X drive the guys at Tirerack said same thing to me. He would not put staggered on 2007 and previous drivetrain. Maybe this could be your issue. The production date of your car.
Staggered WIDTH has nothing to do with anything. If the rolling circumference of the front/back tire/wheel is within 1% or so there should be zero problems, esp with the tire sizes and offsets the OP has. The only issue in some cases is clearance with fenders and so forth but not with the sizes being discussed.

I have never heard of a "redesign" of the Xdrive system on e9x vehicles in 2008, plus there are plenty of people here on this forum with 2007 xi cars running all sorts of wheels/tires, some with 20" and lots with 19". And in any case how would this mythical old Xdrive system "know" the car had wheels and tires on it of identical rolling circumference as stock but different front/back widths? Use your brain man.

OP, this is so off the wall I wonder if they maybe damaged your car somehow and are pulling excuses out of their ass to cover themselves.

BTW I went to Tirerack just now and checked, they list staggered 18" as one factory option on 2007 xi.
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      10-28-2012, 08:48 PM   #49
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  1. New VTG Motor.
  2. 18x8 Front
  3. 18.8.5 Rear
  4. Looks Great, Runs Great
  5. Confirms Dealership Tech was wrong
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      11-30-2012, 09:18 AM   #50
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BTW I went to Tirerack just now and checked, they list staggered 18" as one factory option on 2007 xi.
ooooo BURN!
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      08-27-2013, 11:03 AM   #51
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welp, +1 for transfer case actuator
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      10-12-2015, 11:49 PM   #52
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welp, +1 for transfer case actuator
So I has this evil bunch of lights. Swapped transfer case actuator motor, did a transfer case and transmission drain and fill. That's didn't fix proble. Flashed ECU and recoded, nope, still there. Read somewhere about a possible bad wheel bearing. So I changed my suspect wheel bearing and low and behold, that was the culprit. Lights are off, cruise control and all wheel drive working again...

FYI. *wheel bearing*
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      10-27-2015, 11:27 PM   #53
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Same thing happened to my car. Was also getting the clicking noise when starting the car. Replaced the transfer case actuator and now the car runs fine.
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      01-02-2016, 09:28 PM   #54
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Ok guys got a stumper. Read this thread. Had the same issues with the same lights and grinding when shutting off the car. Replaced the actuator, started it up and problem seemed to be gone. Battery died over night. Jumped the car and now all the lights are back on...... Not sure what to do any thoughts? This is on my wife's 07 328xi
Also worth mentioning I replaced the battery this morning and the lights are still on. The battery was disconnected for about an hour and a half before I put the new one in.
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      01-02-2016, 10:30 PM   #55
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Ok figured it out. Apparently when you jump start the car and/or replace the battery the steering angle sensor will sometimes need to be recalibrated. Literally turn the wheel all the way to right lock and all the way back to the left lock and the lights disappear.
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      01-13-2016, 12:07 PM   #56
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Same issue--Resolved

I had this very same issue (grinding noise included) this summer. The grinding noise went away after about a week, but the lights remained. The car still functioned fine, so I had no qualms continuing to drive it. I got a 4 wheel alignment (which was way off) and that got rid of the ABS light and restored my cruise control. But within 10 seconds of starting the car, the 4x4! light and traction control light came on every time. I replaced the battery as it was 8 years old, and that did nothing. Finally brought it to the dealer since it was winter and it wasn't handling worth crap in the snow and they pulled the following codes:

5462
5463
5F3A

The dealer wanted to replace the entire transfer case to the tune of $5000. I did some research and found posts here on e90 (including this one) and I decided it looked worthwhile to check the worm gear in the actuator motor. I removed it from my car and $65 and several hours later, I had it all back together and it now works perfectly. No more issues. If anyone is getting the 5F3A code, I would highly recommend checking this first. At 10% of the cost of a whole new actuator and 1% of the cost of a transfer case, it's time and money well spent.
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      06-09-2016, 08:32 PM   #57
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I have the same issue on my 2008 328xi (6-speed).

It started the day after I had both rear wheel bearings replaced. Is there some sort of reset that the might have been missed when they replaced my bearings? I mean, I suppose it "could" be simply a coincidence, but I doubt it.
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      06-20-2016, 05:23 AM   #58
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I had this very same issue (grinding noise included) this summer. The grinding noise went away after about a week, but the lights remained. The car still functioned fine, so I had no qualms continuing to drive it. I got a 4 wheel alignment (which was way off) and that got rid of the ABS light and restored my cruise control. But within 10 seconds of starting the car, the 4x4! light and traction control light came on every time. I replaced the battery as it was 8 years old, and that did nothing. Finally brought it to the dealer since it was winter and it wasn't handling worth crap in the snow and they pulled the following codes:

5462
5463
5F3A

The dealer wanted to replace the entire transfer case to the tune of $5000. I did some research and found posts here on e90 (including this one) and I decided it looked worthwhile to check the worm gear in the actuator motor. I removed it from my car and $65 and several hours later, I had it all back together and it now works perfectly. No more issues. If anyone is getting the 5F3A code, I would highly recommend checking this first. At 10% of the cost of a whole new actuator and 1% of the cost of a transfer case, it's time and money well spent.



So I have the same issue do you think I should replace the same part? For me this came up right after I did the OE tune and got new brakes and ball joints and control arms, they did align it too... I think it might be one of my bearings because I can hear it and actuator motor because it only goes off when I really step on it... As soon as torque kicks in (which is 340 at max to the wheels) it does the 4x4! Like and Brake light...
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      08-15-2017, 04:27 PM   #59
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I had this very same issue (grinding noise included) this summer. The grinding noise went away after about a week, but the lights remained. The car still functioned fine, so I had no qualms continuing to drive it. I got a 4 wheel alignment (which was way off) and that got rid of the ABS light and restored my cruise control. But within 10 seconds of starting the car, the 4x4! light and traction control light came on every time. I replaced the battery as it was 8 years old, and that did nothing. Finally brought it to the dealer since it was winter and it wasn't handling worth crap in the snow and they pulled the following codes:

5462
5463
5F3A

The dealer wanted to replace the entire transfer case to the tune of $5000. I did some research and found posts here on e90 (including this one) and I decided it looked worthwhile to check the worm gear in the actuator motor. I removed it from my car and $65 and several hours later, I had it all back together and it now works perfectly. No more issues. If anyone is getting the 5F3A code, I would highly recommend checking this first. At 10% of the cost of a whole new actuator and 1% of the cost of a transfer case, it's time and money well spent.
I have the same codes plus 5F3A DSC: Transfer case: internal. Do you think this worm gear method will still work, or does that additional error code mean it's something else?
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      08-23-2017, 03:15 PM   #60
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Hi,

I'm trying to diagnose what is wrong with my 2006 325xi E91 transfer case. Symptoms started 6 months ago with barely noticeable stuttering under open throttle in 6th gear at highway speed (manual transmission). A couple months later this stuttering became more pronounceable and would occur under open throttle starting from 2nd gear. At the same time my long term average mileage improved from 12.5L/100km to 10L/100km. After another couple of months I now get the standard transfer case lights after I start driving (4x4!, abs, traction control, brake lights all come on). I do not hear any grinding noises as some have observed. Once the lights come on there is no more stuttering as I'm assuming the transfer case clucthes disengage the front axle drive. I'm also assuming the gas mileage improvement is due to the fact that the car became rear wheel drive from full time AWD.

I am leaning towards changing the actuator motor however I'm questioning why there was stuttering under hard acceleration. Might this point to worn out clutch plates?

The car has 240,000 km and I do drive it pretty hard in the summer and 4 months of snow covered roads.
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      09-13-2017, 10:26 PM   #61
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Hi,

I'm trying to diagnose what is wrong with my 2006 325xi E91 transfer case. Symptoms started 6 months ago with barely noticeable stuttering under open throttle in 6th gear at highway speed (manual transmission). A couple months later this stuttering became more pronounceable and would occur under open throttle starting from 2nd gear. At the same time my long term average mileage improved from 12.5L/100km to 10L/100km. After another couple of months I now get the standard transfer case lights after I start driving (4x4!, abs, traction control, brake lights all come on). I do not hear any grinding noises as some have observed. Once the lights come on there is no more stuttering as I'm assuming the transfer case clucthes disengage the front axle drive. I'm also assuming the gas mileage improvement is due to the fact that the car became rear wheel drive from full time AWD.

I am leaning towards changing the actuator motor however I'm questioning why there was stuttering under hard acceleration. Might this point to worn out clutch plates?

The car has 240,000 km and I do drive it pretty hard in the summer and 4 months of snow covered roads.
Man, my 4x4,abs, TC and brake lights all just started coming on everytime I go into gear the first time after I start it. In hindsight, what you noted above sounds too familiar as well (as far as leading up to the dash lights). I was hoping the issue was something simple or maybe a plug/sensor loose.I'll have to keep an eye on this and keep doin research.
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      10-04-2017, 10:17 PM   #62
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Hi,

I'm trying to diagnose what is wrong with my 2006 325xi E91 transfer case. Symptoms started 6 months ago with barely noticeable stuttering under open throttle in 6th gear at highway speed (manual transmission). A couple months later this stuttering became more pronounceable and would occur under open throttle starting from 2nd gear. At the same time my long term average mileage improved from 12.5L/100km to 10L/100km. After another couple of months I now get the standard transfer case lights after I start driving (4x4!, abs, traction control, brake lights all come on). I do not hear any grinding noises as some have observed. Once the lights come on there is no more stuttering as I'm assuming the transfer case clucthes disengage the front axle drive. I'm also assuming the gas mileage improvement is due to the fact that the car became rear wheel drive from full time AWD.

I am leaning towards changing the actuator motor however I'm questioning why there was stuttering under hard acceleration. Might this point to worn out clutch plates?

The car has 240,000 km and I do drive it pretty hard in the summer and 4 months of snow covered roads.
As an update, I replaced the transfer case actuator and now the lights come on immediately after I start the car. Mechanic tried recalibrating the system and it fails (VTG Calibration Failed code and Oil Wear code). Took apart the original actuator and the worm gear and connecting gear looked fine, no wear and are metallic. Not sure what all the talk about plastic gears is about. I'll have to assume the clutch plates are worn out.

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      10-06-2017, 06:29 AM   #63
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As an update, I replaced the transfer case actuator and now the lights come on immediately after I start the car. Mechanic tried recalibrating the system and it fails (VTG Calibration Failed code and Oil Wear code). Took apart the original actuator and the worm gear and connecting gear looked fine, no wear and are metallic. Not sure what all the talk about plastic gears is about. I'll have to assume the clutch plates are worn out.
Before replacing the clutch pack,switch your old vtg resistor on your new actuator and try again. Part 16

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...diagId=27_0032
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      10-06-2017, 07:53 AM   #64
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Before replacing the clutch pack,switch your old vtg resistor on your new actuator and try again. Part 16

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...diagId=27_0032
My new actuator did not come with a resistor for good reason and so the original resistor was used. I assume that's what you mean? My understanding is the resistor goes with the transfer case as it is selected when the transfer case is tested after being built.
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