E90Post
 


Bimmertech
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > AUDIO/VIDEO + BLUETOOTH + Electronics/Alarm/Software > [Rant] - Base Audio



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-01-2012, 12:03 AM   #1
SoGenius
Miami Genius
 
Drives: BMW 328i E92 Coupe
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Miami, FL

Posts: 82
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to SoGenius
[Rant] - Base Audio

Just picked up my new BMW.

It should be f***ing illegal to select base audio package when building your f***** BMW.

I can't complain as I didn't build it and it just got off a lease (BMW Financial sold it to me.) But f*** me dude. My heart thumped harder than my f****** car.

Now I have to retrof***ingfit a Logic 7 into this f***ing f*** f***.



Alright, I feel better.

---
Hey guys,

What are your experiences on retrofitting the Logic7 kit? Expensive? Time consuming? I know there are numerous threads on what I need and how it's done, just wanted some personal experiences with it.

Thanks
-W
SoGenius is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 12:14 AM   #2
MrRetep
I'll tongue punch your fartbox
 
MrRetep's Avatar
 
Drives: 08 335i E90
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Irvine CA

Posts: 352
iTrader: (2)

If you have the complete basic audio, it will be better/cheaper to go after market. The logic 7 is a good improvement over the basic stuff, but as an audiophile it still falls short. I am currently in the process of adding a 12" in the trunk and upgrading the underseat subs since I am not happy with the bass in the car.
MrRetep is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 12:19 AM   #3
JS-NA.E92
Major
 
JS-NA.E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 07' NA E92
Join Date: May 2012
Location: San Francisco, CA

Posts: 1,365
iTrader: (5)

ROFL

Alright now I got that aside you should consider upgrading the speakers to BSW Stage 1 since going Logic 7 retro will be time consuming also the amp is expensive as hell, best find a used one for cheap.

Search around, there was someone who had the same problem as you before.
JS-NA.E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 12:28 AM   #4
SoGenius
Miami Genius
 
Drives: BMW 328i E92 Coupe
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Miami, FL

Posts: 82
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to SoGenius
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRetep View Post
If you have the complete basic audio, it will be better/cheaper to go after market. The logic 7 is a good improvement over the basic stuff, but as an audiophile it still falls short. I am currently in the process of adding a 12" in the trunk and upgrading the underseat subs since I am not happy with the bass in the car.
How are you going to amp the speakers/add tweeters?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JS-NA.E92 View Post
ROFL

Alright now I got that aside you should consider upgrading the speakers to BSW Stage 1 since going Logic 7 retro will be time consuming also the amp is expensive as hell, best find a used one for cheap.

Search around, there was someone who had the same problem as you before.
Then f*** the L7. HiFi maybe?

I'm also seeing people like this:

http://www.musicarnw.com/musicar-sys...s-with-stereo/

1,995 is steep.... tax returns ftw....
SoGenius is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 03:37 AM   #5
ibeaver
joe
 
Drives: E91
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: switzerland

Posts: 11
iTrader: (0)

do the musicnw upgrade.... its a bit of cash, but you won't get much better sound quality unless you start replacing door panels or complete custom installs. And Ken, he's probably the most trust worthy guy on this forum - he's the one who'll take care of you.
ibeaver is offline   Switzerland
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 03:51 AM   #6
ctuna
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Santa Cruz, Ca

Posts: 3,651
iTrader: (0)

To fix it read this

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27

The Musicar Kits are the easiest most complete solution .
Also they are high quality.
A lot of L7 users say they are better than L7.
There are almost no instances of people retrofitting L7 on these boards. Its way more expensive than an aftermarket solution unless
you have a donor car and you work on BMW's at a much higher level
than a BMW tech .
If you went to BMW and tried to have them retrofit a l7 think 5k+ if they could or would even do it.

Last edited by ctuna; 11-02-2012 at 11:22 AM.
ctuna is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 04:26 AM   #7
JS-NA.E92
Major
 
JS-NA.E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 07' NA E92
Join Date: May 2012
Location: San Francisco, CA

Posts: 1,365
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoGenius View Post
How are you going to amp the speakers/add tweeters?



Then f*** the L7. HiFi maybe?

I'm also seeing people like this:

http://www.musicarnw.com/musicar-sys...s-with-stereo/

1,995 is steep.... tax returns ftw....
I know it sucks having the base audio but you didn't know any better when you bought the car, unless you did? it's possible to upgrade to HiFi but your going to be buying new interior parts if you go that route, I say stick with what others are saying and just buy the musicar or upgrade your speakers to BSW Stage 1, which will be my next upgrade to my audio setup .

Search in the audio section, I remember somebody retrofitting HiFi on a base audio car but I also remember he did alot of work just to get it that way.
JS-NA.E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 04:35 AM   #8
DUI Elite
///M at Heart
 
DUI Elite's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 SGM E90
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicago, IL

Posts: 1,515
iTrader: (3)

so glad I got mine with HiFi. Not really a whole lot better, but I've heard the base base, and its pretty bad lol.
DUI Elite is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 05:27 AM   #9
aph335i
Banned
 
Drives: 2009 BMW 335i Coupe
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: West Point, NY

Posts: 268
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ctuna
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323

http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27

The Musicar Kits are the easiest most complete solution .
Also they are high quality.
A lot of L7 users say they are better than L7.
There are almost no instances of people retrofitting L7 on these boards. Its way more expensive than an aftermarket solution unless
you have a donor car and you work on BMW's a much higher level
than a BMW tech .
If you went to BMW and tried to have them retrofit a l7 think 5k+ if they could or would even do it.
I have hifi and I can't imagine anyone NEEDING a better system than this. I'm someone who blares my music constantly. I'm 25 and still pretty wild and it suits me perfect. I just don't see how someone could need more
aph335i is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 05:41 AM   #10
JS-NA.E92
Major
 
JS-NA.E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 07' NA E92
Join Date: May 2012
Location: San Francisco, CA

Posts: 1,365
iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aph335i View Post
I have hifi and I can't imagine anyone NEEDING a better system than this. I'm someone who blares my music constantly. I'm 25 and still pretty wild and it suits me perfect. I just don't see how someone could need more
+1

I agree with you, were the same age and the HiFi was good for the first six months owning my car but then wanted that missing low end bass so I added two 12" subs running at 600W which is underpowered but enough to give me what i'm missing.
JS-NA.E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 09:14 AM   #11
SoGenius
Miami Genius
 
Drives: BMW 328i E92 Coupe
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Miami, FL

Posts: 82
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to SoGenius
Quote:
Originally Posted by JS-NA.E92 View Post
I know it sucks having the base audio but you didn't know any better when you bought the car, unless you did? it's possible to upgrade to HiFi but your going to be buying new interior parts if you go that route, I say stick with what others are saying and just buy the musicar or upgrade your speakers to BSW Stage 1, which will be my next upgrade to my audio setup .

Search in the audio section, I remember somebody retrofitting HiFi on a base audio car but I also remember he did alot of work just to get it that way.
Why are you choosing the BSW instead of Stage 1 Musicnar if you don't mind me asking.

Thanks for tolerating my pointless bumps.

I'm still mad but you guys calmed me the F down quick.
SoGenius is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 10:21 AM   #12
JS-NA.E92
Major
 
JS-NA.E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 07' NA E92
Join Date: May 2012
Location: San Francisco, CA

Posts: 1,365
iTrader: (5)

Alright, first off Musicar may sound nice but are you willing to spend that much? if you are then by all means order it but if you want another solution which i'm giving you buy the BSW Stage 1 kit and an MS-8 Amp which will cost half the price of the Musicar and you'll get the same quality. Research BSW Stage 1 on the whole bimmerpost forums, people did reviews on it. The difference is like night and day from what i've read, so no need to be buying expensive audio equipment just for the name when you can get the same quality by putting some parts together to create your own.
JS-NA.E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 11:40 AM   #13
ctuna
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Santa Cruz, Ca

Posts: 3,651
iTrader: (0)

You have be carefull when looking at this stuff

Since you are dealing with three different stock systems all with different power outputs and speakers. The BSW's are optimized for the L7 system or you will get the greatest amount of change with that system . People have reported the Hi Fi has less improvement with BSW and even less with the base system.
Also as of yet I don't think BSW has and upgrade for the underseats or amp for the e9x.
Anyway there are extensive threads in the audio subforum on this and you can make up your own mind. Just remember to really do your research before you make a decision.
I consider the Hi Fi system the I can almost live with it system . It just can't handle any volume and it has big holes in the frequency range. One person described it as having the perfect mudrange speakers. While its a little bit better than the average OEM stereo it doesn't match what should be in a car sold in the 50k range.
Also most that buy and ms-8 end up buying and amp to as it just won't power the under seats with any authority its still head unit power only.

Last edited by ctuna; 11-01-2012 at 12:07 PM.
ctuna is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 11:55 AM   #14
ken1137
Brigadier General
 
ken1137's Avatar
 
Drives: a slow 2009 e90 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Chicago

Posts: 3,436
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2009 e90 335i  [3.20]
+1

http://www.bavariansoundwerks.com/pr...Series-M3-E90/
__________________

BMWCCA member
ken1137 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 11:58 AM   #15
Blubaron79
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Blubaron79's Avatar
 
Drives: '14 435 XDrive
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PA

Posts: 1,716
iTrader: (0)

<3 My logic 7. Kicks so hard. When I get in someone else's car I always appreciate my stereo.

Look on the bright side. You get to build a kick ass system from scratch.
__________________
'14 435 XDrive: Mineral Grey, MSport, 19's, Coral Leather, Alum. Trim, Every option (except Active Cruise), MPPK, black grille, clear bra.
Blubaron79 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 12:14 PM   #16
e90-328i
Private First Class
 
e90-328i's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 328i RWD!
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: yyz

Posts: 194
iTrader: (0)

you could always do what i did.
put in an exhaust and intake and listen to the sweet sound of the engine.
__________________
2011 328i RWD Sports 6MT PE aFe Magnum stage 2 LUX
e90-328i is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 01:07 PM   #17
MrRetep
I'll tongue punch your fartbox
 
MrRetep's Avatar
 
Drives: 08 335i E90
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Irvine CA

Posts: 352
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoGenius View Post
How are you going to amp the speakers/add tweeters?



Then f*** the L7. HiFi maybe?
since I have L7, I had to buy an adapter/harness to tap into the stock amp that makes a bypass for the stock subs, so basically i can add my own amp(for underseat subs) and wire in an additional sub. while still using the l7 amp for everything else. Having the L7 is also a bit of curse though since I can really upgrade anything else without ripping everything out including the head unit which I do not want to do yet. I'm just waiting to have some free time to build a custom corner mount fiberglass box for my trunk before i go any further.
MrRetep is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 01:11 PM   #18
S3RI35
definitely two turbos.
 
S3RI35's Avatar
 
Drives: 09E90 (335i)
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Houston

Posts: 1,788
iTrader: (4)

...so why not hold off on another option with better audio? Like e90-328i said above... get an exhaust and it'll all be over.
__________________
'09 335i /i\ ZSP /|\ CA /i\ Piano Trim /|\ BMW PE /i\ AG M359
CCA Member
S3RI35 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 02:11 PM   #19
edirtaynine
Major General
 
Drives: e92
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: SoCal

Posts: 6,094
iTrader: (0)

it's detachable too

__________________
e90post killed plastidip
Just say no to painted stock wheels

jm3as hooks it up
edirtaynine is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 02:30 PM   #20
ctuna
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Santa Cruz, Ca

Posts: 3,651
iTrader: (0)

On OEM head unit replacement

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=764389

head unit
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...hlight=dynavin

There are side effects.
ctuna is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-01-2012, 03:48 PM   #21
taibanl
Brigadier General
 
taibanl's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 335d
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Syracuse

Posts: 3,179
iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2011 335d  [0.00]
Is your goal to replace the HU? Or instead to get better SQ? They are not the same.
__________________
FS:Sub Amp - works w/ Technic harness! MRD-M300 - cheap
taibanl is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-02-2012, 03:25 AM   #22
ibeaver
joe
 
Drives: E91
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: switzerland

Posts: 11
iTrader: (0)

I'm still a newbie here, I still have the base stereo (ya its a shocker that someone kept their job at BMW letting that out the door) but I can share my advice about the audio.

I would spend the money and get stage 2 from MusicNW. Its what I am going to do start of the new year (winter project).

And just so you are sure, you have three issues to deal with:
Tweeter pods for the doors. Stereo imaging is much improved -> sound quality upgrade - you could put some two ways in the doors, but then you admit you prefer volume over sound quality.

Reprogram the head unit to be the "hifi" output, then the head unit outputs the sound without any EQ compensation that is needed for the shit speakers of the base stereo.

Installation. MusicNW provides all the peices you need to put everything together.

BSW does aprox the same by improving the sound quality of your bmw system, but I would disagree with jsnae92 that they sound the same.... I have not listened to both, but what MusicNW puts together is based only on Sound Quality and not buying and branding hardware to sell to a market segment (BMW owners) . Small difference, but in the end the winner in SQ is MusicNW. Ken is an ex IASSCA judge which should also help you trust his work. Search and read some of his comments about installing kit.
For sure if price is your first priority, BSW will fit the bill just fine and I'm sure you'll be happy. If Sound Quality is your goal, MusicNW.

Last edited by ibeaver; 11-02-2012 at 03:27 AM. Reason: I don't speak english very well
ibeaver is offline   Switzerland
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:17 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST