Need Dealer Advice On 60k Mile Service - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

faith&firepower · 11-12-2012, 09:19 AM

Hi all, Happy Veterans Day.

I just dropped my E90 off for the 60k mile maintenance. I was under the impression that this was a larger service that included spark plugs, oil change-if needed, wipers, vehicle check, diff fluid change. I've looked in the maintenance sub section here, but can't get a definitive answer on what it exactly done. I also do not have my manuals and the stuff on BMW NA is no help.

My SA said that all gets done at the next oil change that im due for in under 5k miles.

I also dropped the car off for the latest software updates, since it has never been done since it was at the factory. Any help would be appreciated!

Car54 · 11-12-2012, 09:38 AM

Curious if they update your software without a related "problem".

The newer BMW's use a combination of condition based service intervals and lifetime fluid in trans and diff. Your car should tell the dealer what it needs. Most people around here aren't content with the CBS intervals and do more oil changes and other fluid changes.

faith&firepower · 11-12-2012, 09:48 AM

Trans fluid might be lifetime (Im 6MT), but diff is not. I understand the CBS system, but I was under the impression plugs are at 30 & 60k.

Snig · 11-12-2012, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faith&firepower

Trans fluid might be lifetime (Im 6MT), but diff is not. I understand the CBS system, but I was under the impression plugs are at 30 & 60k.

Plugs are every 37k miles. BMW will try to change at the 30k service.

Car54 · 11-12-2012, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faith&firepower

Trans fluid might be lifetime (Im 6MT), but diff is not. I understand the CBS system, but I was under the impression plugs are at 30 & 60k.

What is diff? My dealer told me lifetime on diff and 6MT trans.

faith&firepower · 11-12-2012, 10:45 AM

I thought 30k...

W/// · 11-12-2012, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Car54

What is diff? My dealer told me lifetime on diff and 6MT trans.

Cant be lifetime if they are changed at 1200...
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265139

There's more info on the part numbers in the Maintenance section

Car54 · 11-12-2012, 11:45 AM

After the 1200 mile...then it's lifetime. I'm not sure what they put in there for the first 1200 miles but it might be different than the long term fluid.

For the record...I don't buy this whole lifetime fluid thing and I'm not defending it.

Sean05 · 11-12-2012, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Car54

What is diff? My dealer told me lifetime on diff and 6MT trans.

its not..

They replaced mine at 1200 and another one at 32k... then i changed it at 60k due to out of warranty..

even the DCT i would not count that lifetime.. i call them BS.. Lifetime my ass..

MA///M3 · 11-12-2012, 01:33 PM

37K on the plugs.....it is not in the CBS, that's why they didn't do it. You need to tell them what is due...... the manual, etc. for the car is here in the forum in the manuals section. Print out the page and bring it to the dealer to show them what is needed. It clearly states "not found in CBS."

urBan_dK · 11-12-2012, 01:48 PM

Misinformation in this thread. The transmission fluid for the 6MT is not lifetime fluid, it is changed with the differential fluid. The only lifetime fluid is the DCT transmission fluid.

FormulaMMM · 11-12-2012, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Car54

Curious if they update your software without a related "problem".

My dealer will not.

ec_E92 · 11-12-2012, 02:48 PM

I just did my own 60k service:

Oil change
Spark plugs
Air filter
Cabin filter
Diff fluid
6MT fluid (my decision)

Total cost was about $550 (MT fluid alone was $160) and took half a Saturday.

I will say the shifts are a bit cleaner/crisper with the MT fluid change.

DBH · 11-12-2012, 07:07 PM

Here are service interval as per BMW service manual:
spark plugs every 37,000 miles,
oil changes determined by CBS (oil to be changed AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR),
differential fluid and manual tranny fluid every third engine oil service,
brake fluid change every two years or CBS whichever comes first.

Wiper should be replaced when needed.

As you are out of warranty, you need to go over everything you want the dealer to do. Otherwise they may very well do things you don't need (want) or don't do things you do.

May I suggest that you look for an independent tech to do out of warranty work. They are generally more responsive to your needs and are most always less expensive.

faith&firepower · 11-13-2012, 08:28 AM

Im not out of warranty. It is a CPO vehicle, plus I have the maintence extension program. The only thing im paying for is the software update.

I know about independent shops. I used to work at Motorwerks Group in Michigan. We did all the high end euro cars.

DBH · 11-13-2012, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faith&firepower

Im not out of warranty. It is a CPO vehicle, plus I have the maintence extension program. The only thing im paying for is the software update.

I know about independent shops. I used to work at Motorwerks Group in Michigan. We did all the high end euro cars.

Okay, so just delete my reference to "...out of waranty...".

Eveything else stands.

Snig · 11-13-2012, 10:18 PM

Why was this moved to E90post??

11-12-2012, 09:19 AM	#1
faith&firepower Granny Shifting, Not Double Clutching Like You Drives: 2008 M3 Sedan Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Back in MI Posts: 101 iTrader: (0)	Need Dealer Advice On 60k Mile Service Hi all, Happy Veterans Day. I just dropped my E90 off for the 60k mile maintenance. I was under the impression that this was a larger service that included spark plugs, oil change-if needed, wipers, vehicle check, diff fluid change. I've looked in the maintenance sub section here, but can't get a definitive answer on what it exactly done. I also do not have my manuals and the stuff on BMW NA is no help. My SA said that all gets done at the next oil change that im due for in under 5k miles. I also dropped the car off for the latest software updates, since it has never been done since it was at the factory. Any help would be appreciated! __________________ 08' E90 M3 - Not Enough Mods To List....
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11-12-2012, 09:38 AM	#2
Car54 Captain Drives: 1999 Z3 Mcoupe \| 2008 M3/4 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 825 iTrader: (1)	Curious if they update your software without a related "problem". The newer BMW's use a combination of condition based service intervals and lifetime fluid in trans and diff. Your car should tell the dealer what it needs. Most people around here aren't content with the CBS intervals and do more oil changes and other fluid changes. __________________ Craig Brickner BMW CCA/PBOC/Chin Motorsports DE Instructor Click to Join: BMWCCA # 366493

11-12-2012, 09:48 AM	#3
faith&firepower Granny Shifting, Not Double Clutching Like You Drives: 2008 M3 Sedan Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Back in MI Posts: 101 iTrader: (0)	Trans fluid might be lifetime (Im 6MT), but diff is not. I understand the CBS system, but I was under the impression plugs are at 30 & 60k. __________________ 08' E90 M3 - Not Enough Mods To List....

11-12-2012, 10:45 AM	#6
faith&firepower Granny Shifting, Not Double Clutching Like You Drives: 2008 M3 Sedan Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Back in MI Posts: 101 iTrader: (0)	I thought 30k... __________________ 08' E90 M3 - Not Enough Mods To List....

11-12-2012, 11:45 AM	#8
Car54 Captain Drives: 1999 Z3 Mcoupe \| 2008 M3/4 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 825 iTrader: (1)	After the 1200 mile...then it's lifetime. I'm not sure what they put in there for the first 1200 miles but it might be different than the long term fluid. For the record...I don't buy this whole lifetime fluid thing and I'm not defending it. __________________ Craig Brickner BMW CCA/PBOC/Chin Motorsports DE Instructor Click to Join: BMWCCA # 366493

11-12-2012, 01:33 PM	#10
MA///M3 Second Lieutenant Drives: 2008 BMW M3 DCT COUPE Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: BOSTON, MA Posts: 211 iTrader: (0)	37K on the plugs.....it is not in the CBS, that's why they didn't do it. You need to tell them what is due...... the manual, etc. for the car is here in the forum in the manuals section. Print out the page and bring it to the dealer to show them what is needed. It clearly states "not found in CBS."

11-12-2012, 01:48 PM	#11
urBan_dK First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Snohomish, WA Posts: 310 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2013 Subaru WRX [5.00] 2000 Aprilia RSV Mi ... [5.00] 2008 BMW E90 M3 [5.00] 2005 Honda S2000 [5.00]	Misinformation in this thread. The transmission fluid for the 6MT is not lifetime fluid, it is changed with the differential fluid. The only lifetime fluid is the DCT transmission fluid.

11-12-2012, 02:48 PM	#13
ec_E92 Enginerd Drives: another AW Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: cbus, oh Posts: 244 iTrader: (1)	I just did my own 60k service: Oil change Spark plugs Air filter Cabin filter Diff fluid 6MT fluid (my decision) Total cost was about $550 (MT fluid alone was $160) and took half a Saturday. I will say the shifts are a bit cleaner/crisper with the MT fluid change. __________________ 2008 E92 AW 6MT ///eibach's///ARC-8///Muffler Delete

11-12-2012, 07:07 PM	#14
DBH Second Lieutenant Drives: 2011 M3 E92 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: SE PA Posts: 275 iTrader: (0)	Here are service interval as per BMW service manual: spark plugs every 37,000 miles, oil changes determined by CBS (oil to be changed AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR), differential fluid and manual tranny fluid every third engine oil service, brake fluid change every two years or CBS whichever comes first. Wiper should be replaced when needed. As you are out of warranty, you need to go over everything you want the dealer to do. Otherwise they may very well do things you don't need (want) or don't do things you do. May I suggest that you look for an independent tech to do out of warranty work. They are generally more responsive to your needs and are most always less expensive.

11-13-2012, 08:28 AM	#15
faith&firepower Granny Shifting, Not Double Clutching Like You Drives: 2008 M3 Sedan Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Back in MI Posts: 101 iTrader: (0)	Im not out of warranty. It is a CPO vehicle, plus I have the maintence extension program. The only thing im paying for is the software update. I know about independent shops. I used to work at Motorwerks Group in Michigan. We did all the high end euro cars. __________________ 08' E90 M3 - Not Enough Mods To List....

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