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      11-20-2012, 11:36 PM   #1
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DPs: AA installed for $750 or VRSF installed myself...

Hey E9XPost,

A local BMW indy-shop is offering to install AA (active autowerks) downpipes for $750. Should i go with this, or should i try to install VRSF downpipes myself? I dont have a lift/stands, but a friend could lend me his and help me out. The shop quoted installing the VRSFs for $280 (labor only), in effect making the AAs a better choice if they install it.


1) AA-dps installed for $750, or
2) Install VRSF dp's myself for $330

Ive never worked on car's before, other than changing out the spark-plugs myself, Procede, and AEs. Are DPs hard to install when the car is on stands, or should i go ahead with the shop offering the AAs?

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It's not impossible but its a pain. There is very little space to work with and you're gonna need to be patient! Expect atleast 4+ hours if its your first time
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$750 seems high... I know the guy who did my install so I got a great deal but my install was still marginally less than that. I had xi DP's (subframe needs to be dropped), TMS brake kit (fluid, SS lines, pads, rotors), and 7" VRSF FMIC installed and it was cheaper than $750.

Edit: Just realized $750 was including the AA downpipes. In that case it's a good deal imo
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Hey E9XPost,

A local BMW indy-shop is offering to install AA (active autowerks) downpipes for $750. Should i go with this, or should i try to install VRSF downpipes myself? I dont have a lift/stands, but a friend could lend me his and help me out. The shop quoted installing the VRSFs for $280 (labor only), in effect making the AAs a better choice.


1) AA-dps installed for $750, or
2) Install VRSF dp's myself for $330

Ive never worked on car's before, other than changing out the spark-plugs myself, Procede, and AEs. Are DPs hard to install when the car is on stands, or should i go ahead with the shop offering the AAs?

Thanks
Eric
If it is your firSt time under there, and you are on stands, you're going to have one hell of a time. It's a pain in the ass with what room you have to work with, and doing it on stands is even more limiting.

It really comes down to if you're up for a large challenge or not, if you have the will power to possibly take 6 hours or more to do the job, then by all means go ahead, but if you're not sure if you're comfortable doing it, I would definitely have a shop do it
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$750 for the DPs and installation? I'd definitely go that route.
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It's not impossible but its a pain. There is very little space to work with and you're gonna need to be patient! Expect atleast 4+ hours if its your first time
Hmm, thanks for the opinions!

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$750 seems high... I know the guy who did my install so I got a great deal but my install was still marginally less than that. I had xi DP's (subframe needs to be dropped), TMS brake kit (fluid, SS lines, pads, rotors), and 7" VRSF FMIC installed and it was cheaper than $750.
Yeah, the shop is friendly, but their prices arent great. They specialize in BMWs and N54s, yet have never heard of Vishnu tuning, and said i was crazy for using it instead of AAs flash-software. I was just like

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If it is your firSt time under there, and you are on stands, you're going to have one hell of a time. It's a pain in the ass with what room you have to work with, and doing it on stands is even more limiting.

It really comes down to if you're up for a large challenge or not, if you have the will power to possibly take 6 hours or more to do the job, then by all means go ahead, but if you're not sure if you're comfortable doing it, I would definitely have a shop do it
Im definitely up to the challenge, as i love working on the car. I have several buddies (EVO X 450awp, 300ZX TT 450 rwhp) that have worked on cars for years. I think i could recruit one or more of them to help Its more of a decision of whether the AA dps are worth the extra price (with the install being a bonus) over the VRSFs. Opinions?

If i ordered VRSFs DPs, what else would i need? I have a 220-pc Craftsman metric/imperial set of tools, but im sure there is something odd that i need...

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$750 for the DPs and installation? I'd definitely go that route.
Yes. The downpipes are $750 with free installation, technically lol
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You'll be able to get it done. You have the right attitude. There are a couple of video's out there showing you how to do it. Watch the, and get comfortable. I have air tools and did it all with hand tools. Get one of your buddies, it will be fun.
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You'll be able to get it done. You have the right attitude. There are a couple of video's out there showing you how to do it. Watch the, and get comfortable. I have air tools and did it all with hand tools. Get one of your buddies, it will be fun.
Thanks, i guess thats what ill do. I could afford DCI and a tint with the money i save haha

Any specific items i will need besides the actual DPs? Vband clamps/O2 sensors? Reuse the current ones?

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If your ordering them new from VRSF you'll get everything you need. I just installed a set last week. I was surprised how easy it was. Once you pull the steering rack out of the way there is plenty of room. Just watch the video a couple times.
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you're gonna need a book of BAd words bcuz you're gonna run out of them fast
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Buy VRSF for $330.

And for Labor, do not pay more than $250.
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or get raceland dps for 200?
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If your ordering them new from VRSF you'll get everything you need. I just installed a set last week. I was surprised how easy it was. Once you pull the steering rack out of the way there is plenty of room. Just watch the video a couple times.
Thanks for all the help, this is what i will do.

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Buy VRSF for $330.

And for Labor, do not pay more than $250.
Ill install it myself

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or get raceland dps for 200?
Im okay. VRSF has a great reputation, so id prefer to go with them.
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both are great options but if you want to d.i.y. project have fun and get the vrsf!!!
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Buy VRSF for $330.

And for Labor, do not pay more than $250.


1+ i think $330 + 250 = $580 is worth it.

I would try intercooler installs myself but DP are a pain on jacks and stands. It all depends on how comfortable you are with mech DIY's. good luck and have fun : )
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AA DPs are priced for $700 off AA's website. So you're basically getting charged $50 for the labor.


= COMPLETE STEAL


PS - It's not a surprise they push AA products (tune, dps, prob fmic + other parts). They're probably an Active vendor, esp. since they're both in FL
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Don't cheap out on downpipes. Go with AA.
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Either way is good deal.

DP install is somewhat PITA, unless you have access for lift.
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I always said vrsf is much better than the expensive pipes, but in this ase, Id actually get the aa installed for 750.
Reputable shop, will guarantee his work, great price, sounds like a win win.
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Great deal for AA dp's + install for $750..
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1+ i think $330 + 250 = $580 is worth it.

I would try intercooler installs myself but DP are a pain on jacks and stands. It all depends on how comfortable you are with mech DIY's. good luck and have fun : )
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AA DPs are priced for $700 off AA's website. So you're basically getting charged $50 for the labor.


= COMPLETE STEAL


PS - It's not a surprise they push AA products (tune, dps, prob fmic + other parts). They're probably an Active vendor, esp. since they're both in FL
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Either way is good deal.

DP install is somewhat PITA, unless you have access for lift.
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I always said vrsf is much better than the expensive pipes, but in this ase, Id actually get the aa installed for 750.
Reputable shop, will guarantee his work, great price, sounds like a win win.
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Great deal for AA dp's + install for $750..

How about the AA DPs for $480 but i install them myself? Worth the premium over VRSF?
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If you're not too comfortable installing themselves, you could always just go for the VRSF DP's + install and you'll be int he $520 - $550 range

Most shops will only charge between $200-$250 to install a set of DP's.
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