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      11-26-2012, 05:45 AM   #1
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Newbie...First Winter ...Prep for Snow

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I just purchased a blk 2006 325xi AWD sedan a couple of weeks ago!! (Finally, i have the key to my dream car ! )I just relocated back to CT a couple months ago from Atlanta I so haven't really dealt with snow in a while. ( so please be patient with me)

A few things about my car....

Currently have Brand-new all seasons... do I still need to put on snow tires?

I currently have stock alloy rims .... Would it be better to throw all black rims to prevent constant dirty rims from the snow?

I don't have a garage. Should I buy a cover to protect the car from a bad snow storm? ( someone recommended)

The DTC feature....is it really beneficial to use it?

Any other recommendations welcomed ...

Thank you
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i have same car with a new set of all seasons and got around with the last storm we had with no problems. i have a set of blizzaks i put on last winter. the car is unstoppable with them on i must say. i may or may not put them back on . as far as dirty rims snow or not youll notice the brake dust especially on the fronts accumulates quiclkly. also i work in a body shop car covers can ruin clear coat if you get a cheap one. the cover is not necessary whats more important is washing the car after driving in snow to get salt/sand off. good luck!
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I can definitely see myself running to the car wash after every snow storm. I was going to change the rims after the winter season and just ride the first one out...lol. Maybe I'm just over thinking it.

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I ran all season runflats last season without issue (but we also go no snow)

Unless you can sell the stock tires, just use them up before you get snows. Hunt on CL for some tires. There are usually good deals to be had since the tire sizes are common.
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You'll be fine with all seasons like those, but the best setup is a dedicated set of wheels with dedicated winter rubber, narrower width (say 225), and in a square setup. Then you can enjoy the better handling of summer rubber for the other 6-7 months of the year.

The DTC feature is pretty good. Makes the car a lot more predictable. With winter rubber, this car is basically point and shoot, even in very bad weather.

Have fun and be safe.

Also, don't run your car through a carwash (unless it's touchless). With all the winter grime on the cars, those brushes/sponges really do a number on the paint.
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I'm in the same boat. Moved to Mass from ATL and have a 335xi with the factory wheels and all season tires. From what I hear from the locals I should be more than ok. Lots of WRXs and STis running around so they must know a thing or two about AWD snow driving.
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You'll be fine with all seasons like those, but the best setup is a dedicated set of wheels with dedicated winter rubber, narrower width (say 225), and in a square setup. Then you can enjoy the better handling of summer rubber for the other 6-7 months of the year.

The DTC feature is pretty good. Makes the car a lot more predictable. With winter rubber, this car is basically point and shoot, even in very bad weather.

Have fun and be safe.

Also, don't run your car through a carwash (unless it's touchless). With all the winter grime on the cars, those brushes/sponges really do a number on the paint.
Thanks for your input. I want to be very careful with the paint on my car since its black so, ill have to take extra precaution when washing in the winter.
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I'm in the same boat. Moved to Mass from ATL and have a 335xi with the factory wheels and all season tires. From what I hear from the locals I should be more than ok. Lots of WRXs and STis running around so they must know a thing or two about AWD snow driving.
Lol...yes, I'm glad I'm not the only one!! Even though its an AWD I wanna baby it, I'll be extremely pissed if something happen to it and I haven't had for six months yet.
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They way I see it is people were driving in the snow before FWD and AWD (like our grandparents). So long as you slow way in advance and take turns like you've got a full cup of hot coffee between your legs you should be alright.
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AWD doesn't help you turn or stop, so I would (and did) put snow tires on. It was a big big difference in traction. In fact AWD makes steering even worse I found over my RWD BMW I used to have. You get a lot more push in the front end in the snow.

Maybe people used to drive without them, but people also used to put their kids in the back of the station wagon with no seatbelts. Times have changed. People these days drive like idiots. If I a set of snow tires will allow me to avoid on of them, it was money well spent.
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AWD doesn't help you turn or stop, so I would (and did) put snow tires on. It was a big big difference in traction. In fact AWD makes steering even worse I found over my RWD BMW I used to have. You get a lot more push in the front end in the snow.

Maybe people used to drive without them, but people also used to put their kids in the back of the station wagon with no seatbelts. Times have changed. People these days drive like idiots. If I a set of snow tires will allow me to avoid on of them, it was money well spent.
So basically it will definitely help to put snow tires on in addition to having a AWD drive car. If its not going to hurt me then maybe i should take a shot at it. I just didn't want to assume that having a AWD car was going to completely make my driving drastically better opposed to having a RWD car in the snow.
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AWD doesn't help you turn or stop, so I would (and did) put snow tires on. It was a big big difference in traction. In fact AWD makes steering even worse I found over my RWD BMW I used to have. You get a lot more push in the front end in the snow.

Maybe people used to drive without them, but people also used to put their kids in the back of the station wagon with no seatbelts. Times have changed. People these days drive like idiots. If I a set of snow tires will allow me to avoid on of them, it was money well spent.
AWD absolutely does help you turn. Anyone telling you RWD turns better in snow than AWD is completely and utterly wrong. It's not even a discussion point. That's insanity.
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So basically it will definitely help to put snow tires on in addition to having a AWD drive car. If its not going to hurt me then maybe i should take a shot at it. I just didn't want to assume that having a AWD car was going to completely make my driving drastically better opposed to having a RWD car in the snow.
AWD with all seasons is going to be pretty darn good. I live in a very, very hilly area, and did fine for many years before going to dedicated seasonal setups. The snows are an improvement, no question, but honestly, I'd ride out the All Seasons and then move to a winter/summer package after that.

I'd take an AWD car in all seasons over a RWD car with snows every single time. There's no comparison. The stability and control with AWD versus a one wheel drive (RWD w/ no diff [EDIT] (LSD, not just diff) vehicle is night and day.

As noted above, stopping still requires the same level of care and caution, no matter the drive format. Only lateral and forward control is otherwise enhanced. That said, accident avoidance isn't always a straight line stop, and even in those circumstances, AWD will give you more options to safety than RWD.

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So basically it will definitely help to put snow tires on in addition to having a AWD drive car. If its not going to hurt me then maybe i should take a shot at it. I just didn't want to assume that having a AWD car was going to completely make my driving drastically better opposed to having a RWD car in the snow.
AWD with all seasons is going to be pretty darn good. I live in a very, very hilly area, and did fine for many years before going to dedicated seasonal setups. The snows are an improvement, no question, but honestly, I'd ride out the All Seasons and then move to a winter/summer package after that.

I'd take an AWD car in all seasons over a RWD car with snows every single time. There's no comparison. The stability and control with AWD versus a one wheel drive (RWD w/ no diff) vehicle is night and day.

As noted above, stopping still requires the same level of care and caution, no matter the drive format. Only lateral and forward control is otherwise enhanced. That said, accident avoidance isn't always a straight line stop, and even in those circumstances, AWD will give you more options to safety than RWD.
Thank you!!!

I will take your recommendation after reading around. I'll just keep in mind that I should drive safely at all times.
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AWD with all seasons is going to be pretty darn good. I live in a very, very hilly area, and did fine for many years before going to dedicated seasonal setups. The snows are an improvement, no question, but honestly, I'd ride out the All Seasons and then move to a winter/summer package after that.

I'd take an AWD car in all seasons over a RWD car with snows every single time. There's no comparison. The stability and control with AWD versus a one wheel drive (RWD w/ no diff) vehicle is night and day.

As noted above, stopping still requires the same level of care and caution, no matter the drive format. Only lateral and forward control is otherwise enhanced. That said, accident avoidance isn't always a straight line stop, and even in those circumstances, AWD will give you more options to safety than RWD.
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Hi guys,

I just purchased a blk 2006 325xi AWD sedan a couple of weeks ago!! (Finally, i have the key to my dream car ! )I just relocated back to CT a couple months ago from Atlanta I so haven't really dealt with snow in a while. ( so please be patient with me)

A few things about my car....

Currently have Brand-new all seasons... do I still need to put on snow tires?

I currently have stock alloy rims .... Would it be better to throw all black rims to prevent constant dirty rims from the snow?

I don't have a garage. Should I buy a cover to protect the car from a bad snow storm? ( someone recommended)

The DTC feature....is it really beneficial to use it?

Any other recommendations welcomed ...

Thank you
1. It depends. In theory, YES the best thing to do for your car, safety, and longevity of tires is to get a dedicated set of winter rubber. Are all seasons adequate for most driving, sure. All it takes is getting stuck once. My theory - if your job requires you to go in regardless of weather (i.e. 24 hour worker like Firefighter, EMT, Doctor, Nurse, etc) where you cannot call out due to weather or your job won't be closed due to weather - get the tires. If anything they provide better handling below 40 degrees. It's an investment. It's $$$ up front, but will increase the life of your other tires.

2. No. Black rims are "fo sho". You're not going to have any cleaner of an experience. Wash them every 2 weeks to prevent corrosion or other damage regardless of their color. My recommendation, get a dedicated set of winter rims. The investment is larger, but you can swap them yourself if you want, and some places charge up to $250 to swap rims/tires. So $500/year versus $2000 up front. 4 years it pays for itself, and saves you headaches... and you can decide when to put them on, or if you want to take them off if it's a mild winter.

3. A car cover isn't going to protect your car from a falling tree, it may prevent light scratches from people clearing off their cars. My recommendation, keep your car clean and waxed, and warm it up appropriately prior to clearing off snow to keep your car damage free. The best thing to do is clear off snow as soon as you can, or multiple times if it's a larger storm. That way if there's any ice it doesn't cake onto the car, or into multiple layers on your car

4. Yes, DTC can be very valuable when you need a bit more traction. Just push the DTC button when traveling in conditions where you need a little wheelspin to get some more grip, or if DSC is interfering too much with daily travel. Don't push and hold it to deactivate DSC all together, you will lose the rest of your traction control.


Hope that's helpful.
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AWD absolutely does help you turn. Anyone telling you RWD turns better in snow than AWD is completely and utterly wrong. It's not even a discussion point. That's insanity.
Sorry you are the one wrong here.

I've driven both, and the AWD understeers WAY more in the snow (assuming you are applying power).

Your tire has X amount of traction. If you are using Y amount of traction driving the wheel, then you only have X-Y left to help you steer.

And what's insane is you would take AWD with all seasons over RWD with snow tires. Personally I would take added traction in all circumstances rather than just added acceleration. Or maybe you just don't really get any snow...
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Hi guys,

I just purchased a blk 2006 325xi AWD sedan a couple of weeks ago!! (Finally, i have the key to my dream car ! )I just relocated back to CT a couple months ago from Atlanta I so haven't really dealt with snow in a while. ( so please be patient with me)

A few things about my car....

Currently have Brand-new all seasons... do I still need to put on snow tires?

I currently have stock alloy rims .... Would it be better to throw all black rims to prevent constant dirty rims from the snow?

I don't have a garage. Should I buy a cover to protect the car from a bad snow storm? ( someone recommended)

The DTC feature....is it really beneficial to use it?

Any other recommendations welcomed ...

Thank you
1. It depends. In theory, YES the best thing to do for your car, safety, and longevity of tires is to get a dedicated set of winter rubber. Are all seasons adequate for most driving, sure. All it takes is getting stuck once. My theory - if your job requires you to go in regardless of weather (i.e. 24 hour worker like Firefighter, EMT, Doctor, Nurse, etc) where you cannot call out due to weather or your job won't be closed due to weather - get the tires. If anything they provide better handling below 40 degrees. It's an investment. It's $$$ up front, but will increase the life of your other tires.

2. No. Black rims are "fo sho". You're not going to have any cleaner of an experience. Wash them every 2 weeks to prevent corrosion or other damage regardless of their color. My recommendation, get a dedicated set of winter rims. The investment is larger, but you can swap them yourself if you want, and some places charge up to $250 to swap rims/tires. So $500/year versus $2000 up front. 4 years it pays for itself, and saves you headaches... and you can decide when to put them on, or if you want to take them off if it's a mild winter.

3. A car cover isn't going to protect your car from a falling tree, it may prevent light scratches from people clearing off their cars. My recommendation, keep your car clean and waxed, and warm it up appropriately prior to clearing off snow to keep your car damage free. The best thing to do is clear off snow as soon as you can, or multiple times if it's a larger storm. That way if there's any ice it doesn't cake onto the car, or into multiple layers on your car

4. Yes, DTC can be very valuable when you need a bit more traction. Just push the DTC button when traveling in conditions where you need a little wheelspin to get some more grip, or if DSC is interfering too much with daily travel. Don't push and hold it to deactivate DSC all together, you will lose the rest of your traction control.


Hope that's helpful.
Thank you for the breakdown...

This is exactly what I was looking for. I was prepared to get a new set of rims and tires because of the winter conditions however, I wanted to see if it was NEEDED. In addition, I think I'm going to use the clay bar and apply some sealant to protect my coat of paint.
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The stability and control with AWD versus a one wheel drive (RWD w/ no diff) vehicle is night and day.
Wait isn't RWD w/ no diff a posi? Wouldn't that be two-wheel-drive then?
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we're getting off topic here.

i would look to get something even more narrow if you are to drive in a lot of snow, a 205/50/17 would be better than a 225/45/17
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Sorry you are the one wrong here.

I've driven both, and the AWD understeers WAY more in the snow (assuming you are applying power).

Your tire has X amount of traction. If you are using Y amount of traction driving the wheel, then you only have X-Y left to help you steer.

And what's insane is you would take AWD with all seasons over RWD with snow tires. Personally I would take added traction in all circumstances rather than just added acceleration. Or maybe you just don't really get any snow...


Please, stop providing "advice" to people here, lest they may actually think you know WTF you're talking about. Particularly the part where you imply that understeer is less safe than oversteer in a situation where traction is lost.

You also clearly haven't the slightest idea how power transfer in an AWD vehicle (in particular XDrive) operates. Do some reading, and save yourself further public embarrassment, like where you just told someone 1 wheel of action in a slip condition is better than 4, just because it has a snow tire on it.

yikes. You're the reason the internet is a dangerous place to find advice.
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Should have said no LSD.
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