[Nate4641]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

We are discussing different things here, hunting, and the video.

Hunting is a essential part of who we are, and although it is not my cup of tea, I have absolutely no issue with it, I eat meat, and I know a lot of great folks who enjoy that hobby.

And for the record, I'm also not a big fan of squirrels.

I roll my eyes at folks who post a video telling us to fast forward to see the slow motion kill shot. (Please note, the OP never returned to his own thread).

To me, videos like these are pointless, and unnecessary. And if you get excited over that video it makes you a sad individual.

I've met folks like these, and most of the time they are the very opposite of being tough guys. I've seen very compassionate "tree huggers" who will hold the line against any threat. Just my observation and 2 cents.

I guess your opinion is the only one that counts in the universe.

Also so what if they aren't "tough guys"? Why does someone have to be "tough" to shoot rodents? And I guess every person who has ever shot an animal falls into the same category huh?

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by Nate4641

I guess your opinion is the only one that counts in the universe.

Also so what if they aren't "tough guys"? Why does someone have to be "tough" to shoot rodents? And I guess every person who has ever shot an animal falls into the same category huh?

No, read my posts again. I have nothing against hunters, or folks that kill rodents. I think I made that perfectly clear in my last post; I only take issue with the video. In any case, yes, I have my opinions... everybody does.

[GetSomeE92]

I don't think anyone watching that video is getting pleasure out of watching the squirrel die. I think someone would watch it and appreciate the clean kills and well placed shots. I thought that the camera through the scope tech was pretty cool.

In any event, a squirrel is basically just a rat that happens to have a bushy tail.

[daixloxbmw]

Originally Posted by Inspired

Most if not all food places have a pest problem and there is no permanent solution

+1

In Chinatown or any tightly packed urban area, it is impossible for you to find a single business that stored or served food without a pest problem. If you think otherwise, then you are truly naive. My buddy has tried his best to minimize the problem but there is zero chance of eradicating it short of dropping a bomb on the entire neighborhood. Like I said earlier, all food supplies are stored in thick plastic bins and he has already paid for pest control/exterminators numerous times and it just simply does not work and they breed faster than you can kill them.

Regarding the Splinter Cell comment, yeah it was exactly like that and it was quite fun actually.



Not my video but it was exactly like this in a much smaller, enclosed basement space.

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by Nate4641

If you dont think hunting or eating meat is necessary, you need to brush up on your history. We would not be where we are today as the human race, or as America (for those of you living here) if people did not hunt. Without that source of protein we would not have survived hundreds of years ago. Yes as society has progressed and modernized, hunting has turned more into sport than a crucial survival skill. However some people like to get their natural food the natural way and not buy it from an overpriced store full of hippies. That makes me want to rant about the whole movement against processed foods, but i'll save that for later. And yes there have been period, and still some cases now, of over hunting certain animals to extinction or near extinction and THAT is wrong.

Ultimately you have to realize, IT'S A FUCKING SQUIRREL! Squirrels are pests, a rodent, and have almost no value to nature. They will make your home their home, then destroy your home from within by eating through wires, tearing up insulation and making more holes than there should be, oh and shit everywhere. You defend the squirrel now until you have a nest in your attic.

What this guy was doing was showing how he killed the squirrel, yes the slow motion replay may have been a little tasteless, but to say that he himself should be shot is ludicrous!



You defend a squirrel and want a human to be killed because he is hunting for food? If I set up a meeting with you and the guy who made this video, and gave you a gun would you honestly shoot him? Would you sit there and watch him bleed out begging for help because you dont know how to make a clean kill let alone you probably do not know how to use a firearm. I want you to imagine yourself in that situation and think about what you said about this man you don't know. What if it was one of your family members or a close friend who made this video, would you still want them to die? Or what about if someone made a video of this man being shot, would you watch it and be happy? To wish death on another human over the internet makes you feel so much bigger of a person than him doesn't it? You're a coward is all and your family should be ashamed of you. Get the fuck out of here and shut the fuck up. Realize where you came from and how you got here.

Also just because you view this video as some twisted psychopath's source of entertainment doesn't mean everyone else does too. This can be educational to someone who has a squirrel problem and needs to kill them rather than trap and release them somewhere else only for them to come back.

In regards to the comment about airguns not being good for hunting, you obviously dont know shit about them. He isn't using a Red Rider BB gun. Varmint air guns are common and shoot at a pretty high velocity. Also theres the choice of pellets that can do serious damage at that velocity, especially to a small animal. If you had the right pellet with a fast enough gun you could probably kill a human if you hit them in the right spot too.

My main point is to educate yourself before you post stupid comments. Heres a little reading for those of you who think squirrels only exist to be cute. http://www.farmersalmanac.com/home-g...ray-squirrels/

It may be just a fucking squirrel to you
But it's a life
Just because it can't make pseudo witty remarks, or because it can't shoot a gun
Doesn't make it any less important
The only real coward is someone who thinks its funny to shoot a video killing defenseless animals

Oh and I don't particularly like your racist remark
Wtf do you mean where you came from and how you got here?

[kingofthedemo]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

We are discussing different things here, hunting, and the video.

Hunting is a essential part of who we are, and although it is not my cup of tea, I have absolutely no issue with it, I eat meat, and I know a lot of great folks who enjoy that hobby.

And for the record, I'm also not a big fan of squirrels.

I roll my eyes at folks who post a video telling us to fast forward to see the slow motion kill shot. (Please note, the OP never returned to his own thread).

To me, videos like these are pointless, and unnecessary. And if you get excited over that video it makes you a sad individual.

I've met folks like these, and most of the time they are the very opposite of being tough guys. I've seen very compassionate "tree huggers" who will hold the line against any threat. Just my observation and 2 cents.

I posted this video because I like to hunt sometimes, and personally I thought that this video was entertaining, so I shared it, it's that simple. The squirrel didn't suffer, so I don't see how anyone would think it was sick to watch the video, it was a nice shot, and I thought it was pretty damn cool, that's the whole story. As far as your claim that I didn't return, well that's not true I posted a few times on the first page, and then I got busy with other things.

[Pontrelli]

This thread is like an episode of Amish Mafia

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by kingofthedemo

I posted this video because I like to hunt sometimes, and personally I thought that this video was entertaining, so I shared it, it's that simple. The squirrel didn't suffer, so I don't see how anyone would think it was sick to watch the video, it was a nice shot, and I thought it was pretty damn cool, that's the whole story. As far as your claim that I didn't return, well that's not true I posted a few times on the first page, and then I got busy with other things.

Point taken, my mistake.

[Mr Tonka]

This thread has exceeded it's maximum seriousness level.....

[CPWINCH]

AMERICA!

[Vanity]

Originally Posted by CPWINCH

AMERICA!

Loved this comment haha


And I know this thread is already getting real long in the tooth but, really? All this for squirrels? And I know someone here said it was the video that bothered them. It was the "entertainment" of watching death that bothers him.

May I?

- Violent Video Games where we simulate killing humans labelled as "enemies".
- Every single movie where we root for the death of another human being, sometimes even feeling relief from that death, because such a person has the role of "antagonist".

You know what I'm getting at here. I'm just trying to expose the hypocrisy in here. There are many many channels in our lives where death is commoditized and packaged as "entertainment" and then sold to us. News, movies, games, etc. I believe the people here are expressing disgust because there is no "context" given here. The squirrel in the video wasn't labelled as an "antagonist" to our sniper, nor was there a context given for why it was shot. So then you decide to fill in the void: "He's a disgusting human being" "He enjoys this as pleasure" "There's something wrong with him, not me" "That squirrel was 'innocent'".

This psychology of assumption definitely carries itself into other places. Like when we watch a video of someone being shot by the Police, and we assume our own opinions: "Police are pigs!" "That man was a threat!". But we have no context.

Point being if you're really bothered by death as entertainment, that is odd. All that's different in this video is lack of context. Death as entertainment is very much enjoyed by everyone, in one form or the other. It's just that no one stands up declares "I love watching death". But we all do, given the right context and more importantly the correct "labels".

[smmmurf]

Originally Posted by kmarei

It may be just a fucking squirrel to you
But it's a life
Just because it can't make pseudo witty remarks, or because it can't shoot a gun
Doesn't make it any less important
The only real coward is someone who thinks its funny to shoot a video killing defenseless animals

Oh and I don't particularly like your racist remark
Wtf do you mean where you came from and how you got here?

+1

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

We are discussing different things here, hunting, and the video.

Hunting is a essential part of who we are, and although it is not my cup of tea, I have absolutely no issue with it, I eat meat, and I know a lot of great folks who enjoy that hobby.

And for the record, I'm also not a big fan of squirrels.

I roll my eyes at folks who post a video telling us to fast forward to see the slow motion kill shot. (Please note, the OP never returned to his own thread).

To me, videos like these are pointless, and unnecessary. And if you get excited over that video it makes you a sad individual.

I've met folks like these, and most of the time they are the very opposite of being tough guys. I've seen very compassionate "tree huggers" who will hold the line against any threat. Just my observation and 2 cents.

+1

[kingofthedemo]

Originally Posted by Vanity

Loved this comment haha


And I know this thread is already getting real long in the tooth but, really? All this for squirrels? And I know someone here said it was the video that bothered them. It was the "entertainment" of watching death that bothers him.

May I?

- Violent Video Games where we simulate killing humans labelled as "enemies".
- Every single movie where we root for the death of another human being, sometimes even feeling relief from that death, because such a person has the role of "antagonist".

You know what I'm getting at here. I'm just trying to expose the hypocrisy in here. There are many many channels in our lives where death is commoditized and packaged as "entertainment" and then sold to us. News, movies, games, etc. I believe the people here are expressing disgust because there is no "context" given here. The squirrel in the video wasn't labelled as an "antagonist" to our sniper, nor was there a context given for why it was shot. So then you decide to fill in the void: "He's a disgusting human being" "He enjoys this as pleasure" "There's something wrong with him, not me" "That squirrel was 'innocent'".

This psychology of assumption definitely carries itself into other places. Like when we watch a video of someone being shot by the Police, and we assume our own opinions: "Police are pigs!" "That man was a threat!". But we have no context.

Point being if you're really bothered by death as entertainment, that is odd. All that's different in this video is lack of context. Death as entertainment is very much enjoyed by everyone, in one form or the other. It's just that no one stands up declares "I love watching death". But we all do, given the right context and more importantly the correct "labels".

Nicely said!

[Nate4641]

Originally Posted by kmarei

It may be just a fucking squirrel to you
But it's a life
Just because it can't make pseudo witty remarks, or because it can't shoot a gun
Doesn't make it any less important
The only real coward is someone who thinks its funny to shoot a video killing defenseless animals

Oh and I don't particularly like your racist remark
Wtf do you mean where you came from and how you got here?

Yes , it is a life, a life that could have easily been taken by another predator. Squirrels aren't exactly up high on the food chain and possibly one of the best things they contribute to nature is their lives. They are FOOD for other animals. So a better argument for you would be that this guy took away a food source for another animal that went hungry. However that starts getting into what-ifs and theories so its best not to argue over something may or may not have happened if the squirrel was not killed by this man.


lol racist? really?

Where we came from and how we got here refers to the evolution of human life over the past centuries. Less than 200 years ago you had to hunt to get most of your protein (meat) as there was not a mass production food industry. We didn't have large scale farms breeding animal stock to be slaughtered, packaged, and shipped to your local grocery store. Until this modernization of food supply life was a lot rougher than it is now. Instead of not being able to afford food, if you couldn't hunt chances are you didn't eat meat and meat was a crucial part of the human diet back then. People didn't have the luxury of being vegan or vegetarian and buying everything they want to eat in a store.

So for you to read what I as racist when I mention NOTHING negative about a specific race shows your character and how you choose to read too far into things. You're looking for a way to make me look bad because I called you out for thoughtlessly demanding the death of another human whom you do not know over the internet.

So if you want to quote me and reply to my comment, reply with an answer to my challenge. Would YOU shoot the creator of this video if you were face to face and he was unarmed.

[kingofthedemo]

Originally Posted by Nate4641

So if you want to quote me and reply to my comment, reply with an answer to my challenge. Would YOU shoot the creator of this video if you were face to face and he was unarmed.

+1

[Fox128i]

Let's take a deep breath here. We're seriously going to use the race card in regards to a hunting video of someone shooting a squirrel? Or as a counterpoint to someone else's views/remarks on the subject matter?

With all due respect, I call BS.

Time for the mods to lock this one before it gets further out of hand.

[DiavelM3]

Originally Posted by Inspired

Most if not all food places have a pest problem and there is no permanent solution

If that were true, then, most, if not all food places would be shut down and more of us would be doing whats in the video that started this thread.

[sjk9671]

Originally Posted by Pontrelli

This thread is like an episode of Amish Mafia

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by Fox128i

Let's take a deep breath here. We're seriously going to use the race card in regards to a hunting video of someone shooting a squirrel? Or as a counterpoint to someone else's views/remarks on the subject matter?

With all due respect, I call BS.

Time for the mods to lock this one before it gets further out of hand.

I don't see anything getting out of hand. It's a forum, people disagree. It's all good.

A video has been posted, and folks share their opinions, it's the whole point of a message board.

In regards to the comment about people being hypocrites when it comes to disliking this video, but maybe playing violent video games, or watching movies:

Reality > not reality.

I think I established that this is hardly about a squirrel... at least in my case, it's about watching a video of an animal getting killed (in slow motion) for entertainment. I simply don't get it, that's all.

And yes, I've trained guns on people with the intent to shoot; I don't think this gives me a moral high ground, but it gives me a different personal perspective on life and death. Hunting is necessary, taking a life is unfortunately sometimes necessary, but you should never take it lightly, and to me that video is trivializing that.

And yes, I'm perfectly fine with other folks disagreeing with me.

[Fox128i]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Hunting is necessary, taking a life is unfortunately sometimes necessary, but you should never take it lightly, and to me that video is trivializing that.

And yes, I'm perfectly fine with other folks disagreeing with me.

I agree. As I mentioned, I have not watched the video and don't intend to. I am perfectly fine with folks disagreeing with me as well.

I know I have not mentioned video games. I did use the word hypocritical though and I was right to do so. To chastise the video about it's violence/death and then call for the death of the hunter is indeed the perfect definition of a hypocrite. I know it wasn't you, but it was mentioned. Not exactly the best argument for someone to use in effort to support their point of view in my opinion.

We all have our opinions, but inserting race into this debate is a bit ridiculous.

[Nate4641]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

I don't see anything getting out of hand. It's a forum, people disagree. It's all good.

A video has been posted, and folks share their opinions, it's the whole point of a message board.

Exactly. Although being called a racist was a way off and juvenile.

I love a good debate and this is a great topic to debate. It doesnt involve politics or religion which are two of the worst things to get into a debate over as it will almost never end.

[Ammonia]

After deploying three times and watching some of my friends die right in front of me, this thread makes me sad. This guy is hunting food. He makes great shots with an air rifle. They are squirrels. I've put out mice traps before, and caught a few squirrels that like to burrow into our roof and cause hundreds of dollars in damage. I didn't eat them. Does that make me an inhuman monster?



Every single person in this thread has killed a bug.