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      12-16-2012, 07:53 PM   #1
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335i Reliability and mistake of buying it.

I just wanted to rant a bit about this car. First of all, kind of a POS-only has 60K on it. I purchased it from a BMW dealer as a Certified lease return and was excited that I could get into what I thought was a better car than my Honda's or VW in my past. I have owned the car for about a year and purchased it with 36K KM, and had all of its regular things done to it by that time: HPFP, turbos and injectors. Okay, so I understand this was an early car and there are teething problems. I have owned it for about 24K km now, and its been back in for clutch(because rear main seal leak) and water pump was all covered under warranty. Valve cover gasket is leaking now and not covered under extended warranty because it is wear/tear. Wouldn't complain, but it is a 1000K job-yes, I could do it myself for cheaper, but realistically buying a premium car shouldn't require me to do so.
I was complaining to the dealer about the relative unreliability of this car and I regretted not leasing so I can give the car back when I was done with it. He told me that this was a very rewarding car to drive, and many owners stretch themselves getting into the car and cant afford to maintain them. Sure I agree a little, but fact is that a Hyundai is not this unreliable. It infers that BMW owners have more money than brains to accept this unreliability because of the BMW logo.
I am a mechanical engineer, and was a licensed mechanic for 10 years before becoming so, and am appalled at the reliability of this car. Why are simple things as water pumps, or valve cover gaskets failing at 60K? My Toyota 4Runner had 380K km on it and only required a water pump because I changed the timing belt and was cost efficient to replace at that time.
Anyways, I'm gonna replace the valve cover gasket shortly, and hope nothing else explodes or breaks down on me. I luckily opted for the finance plan with a balloon payment at the end so I think I can just give them car back and walk away. From now on, I will remove any of my pre-conceived notions on what makes a "cool" car and just buy Japanese. They are somewhat soul less machines, but I wont be stopping off at the dealer on my free time to drop it off to get it fixed.
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      12-16-2012, 08:15 PM   #2
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Bum deal. Sorry to hear about all your issues.

Just a heads up, BMW Select does NOT allow you to just "walk away" when you're done with your payments. You're still obligated to pay the balloon payment somehow. Cash, finance, etc.
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      12-16-2012, 08:24 PM   #3
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Did you look at the maintenance history before you purchased it? Sounds like the car has been driven hard with the issues you've been having –*Clutch/VCG.
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Reliability=japanese cars

The more soul your car has, the more error prone it will be.
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The more soul your car has, the more error prone it will be.
Drink the cool aid. It will all be better.
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The more soul your car has, the more error prone it will be.
Expanding on that logic must mean the Yugo was the most soulful car ever made.

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I just wanted to rant a bit about this car. First of all, kind of a POS-only has 60K on it. I purchased it from a BMW dealer as a Certified lease return and was excited that I could get into what I thought was a better car than my Honda's or VW in my past. I have owned the car for about a year and purchased it with 36K KM, and had all of its regular things done to it by that time: HPFP, turbos and injectors. Okay, so I understand this was an early car and there are teething problems. I have owned it for about 24K km now, and its been back in for clutch(because rear main seal leak) and water pump was all covered under warranty. Valve cover gasket is leaking now and not covered under extended warranty because it is wear/tear. Wouldn't complain, but it is a 1000K job-yes, I could do it myself for cheaper, but realistically buying a premium car shouldn't require me to do so.
I was complaining to the dealer about the relative unreliability of this car and I regretted not leasing so I can give the car back when I was done with it. He told me that this was a very rewarding car to drive, and many owners stretch themselves getting into the car and cant afford to maintain them. Sure I agree a little, but fact is that a Hyundai is not this unreliable. It infers that BMW owners have more money than brains to accept this unreliability because of the BMW logo.
I am a mechanical engineer, and was a licensed mechanic for 10 years before becoming so, and am appalled at the reliability of this car. Why are simple things as water pumps, or valve cover gaskets failing at 60K? My Toyota 4Runner had 380K km on it and only required a water pump because I changed the timing belt and was cost efficient to replace at that time.
Anyways, I'm gonna replace the valve cover gasket shortly, and hope nothing else explodes or breaks down on me. I luckily opted for the finance plan with a balloon payment at the end so I think I can just give them car back and walk away. From now on, I will remove any of my pre-conceived notions on what makes a "cool" car and just buy Japanese. They are somewhat soul less machines, but I wont be stopping off at the dealer on my free time to drop it off to get it fixed.
I am also a mechanical engineer and own a 335i. Surely as an engineer you know how much more advanced the mechanics behind the engine are compared to your Honda/vw and Hyundai. This does not mean BMW is an unreliable company it's a known fact the 335i is unreliable but other BMWs aren't and are relatively cheap to own. The fact that you can get over 750hp on stock internals out of a 335i shows its overbuilt. Assuming you like what you do, being a ME, than you like fixing problems, I know I did when I encountered them on my 335
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i love everything about my 335i but the reliability and complexity

ive had honda's with 200-300k miles with less problems than my 40k mile 335
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There is no excuse for any car being unreliable and ir is foolish to accept it from any manufacturer regardless of how complex the car may be (and I an not convinced that BMW engines are any more complex than the engines in the Japanese competition.)

That being said my 335i and my 750 have both been very reliable and if they were not they would be my last BMWs.

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Valve cover gasket is leaking now and not covered under extended warranty because it is wear/tear. Wouldn't complain, but it is a 1000K job-yes,
I need to replace mine. I was expecting more like 500$. Second time in 2 years.
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I know how you feel , even stupid annoyances such as coil packs etc... I took a look at a g37 and also test drove multiple e46 m3's but neither have the same feeling as the 335i. How the torque is delivered on the n54 is so magical, havent drove any other car with as much punch down low. I just put up with the annoyances and enjoy the benefits.
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Sounds like your extended warranty sucks. Valve cover gaskets are covered under almost any extended warranty. Wear and tear is BS.


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      12-16-2012, 09:21 PM   #14
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The first thing I felt when I saw and drove the 335i was that it was a soulless German killing machine. It is mechanically impressive and sound but no soul, no sense of humor, no fun. I guess it's all personal preference there.

I hope I don't have any reliability issues on my 65k machine! I had it checked out by a BMW mechanic before I bought it so hopefully he gave it a thorough lookiloo.
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I know how you feel , even stupid annoyances such as coil packs etc... I took a look at a g37 and also test drove multiple e46 m3's but neither have the same feeling as the 335i. How the torque is delivered on the n54 is so magical, havent drove any other car with as much punch down low. I just put up with the annoyances and enjoy the benefits.
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Not sure I would recommend generalizing after coming into a used car.

BMW is a good brand, and like any other, it requires maintenance (and preventative maintenance). Any brand, even hyundai, will break down if you beat on it hard, and don't maintain it with the same rigor.

Only difference is that its much more expensive on the BMWs, and with your car coming out of a lease, thats exactly what previous lessee's were avoiding.
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The first thing I felt when I saw and drove the 335i was that it was a soulless German killing machine. It is mechanically impressive and sound but no soul, no sense of humor, no fun. I guess it's all personal preference there.

I hope I don't have any reliability issues on my 65k machine! I had it checked out by a BMW mechanic before I bought it so hopefully he gave it a thorough lookiloo.
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I don't go to the tracks, & I don't drive like a bat out of hell, so a E93 328i was just fine for me.
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The valve cover gasket is covered under the CPO. Also, you may want to read your contract in regards to your balloon payment. Sounds like you have a misconception.
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Wait- did you go CPO or aftermarket warranty?
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Bum deal. Sorry to hear about all your issues.

Just a heads up, BMW Select does NOT allow you to just "walk away" when you're done with your payments. You're still obligated to pay the balloon payment somehow. Cash, finance, etc.
thanks for the heads up.
Hope the trade in value is over the 10K balloon in 3 years. Car was purchased from Brian Jessel BMW in Vancouver as a CPO car. Service has been great, only reason I haven't driven car through showroom yet.
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So wait again- a dealership denied replacing the valve cover under CPO as wear and tear?
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