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      12-16-2012, 10:21 PM   #23
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Sounds like your extended warranty sucks. Valve cover gaskets are covered under almost any extended warranty. Wear and tear is BS.


I love engineers when they complain about cars lol
Everything you see, some engineer was pissed off at it lol
Yah--its the factory extended warranty that comes with CPO cars.
The ironic thing is I'm a Reliability Mechanical Engineer... so definitely teething issues which I understand, just wish the factory extended warranty was a little better so I wouldn't complain.
The rear main seal was leaking at 40K, so clutch needed to be replace because it became oil soaked, and now the valve cover. I am a little surprised that in the year 2012, the simple durability of their rubber sealing products aren't a little better.
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      12-16-2012, 10:22 PM   #24
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So wait again- a dealership denied replacing the valve cover under CPO as wear and tear?
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      12-16-2012, 10:24 PM   #25
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Bullhockey. Call BMW and complain. That is not acceptable if it is a CPO car, and you haven't dicked with the valve cover. Go take it to another dealership as well. Who made that call? The tech, shop foreman, advisor, manager?


And believe me- I have replaced valve covers, oil filter housing and timing case covers that the rubber gaskets literally come out in pieces. Imagine breaking a candy cane. Just like that. You wonder why it leaks!
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      12-16-2012, 10:25 PM   #26
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BTW,

when I came home from dealer after water pump replacement-which is free, but thermostat which is not (about $200 cdn) wear and tear they say. My DS headlight is flickering and sometimes dies. Ill bring it back next week, but curious if anyone had this issue.
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Oh wait- your in Canada....... That's a whole different story. I don't know CPO guidelines in Canada.


The water pump, thermostat and valve cover gasket would have been covered (provided there was a fault for it and the tech got a diag code for the water pump and thermostat- valve cover gasket doesn't need an electronic "mother may I") and you would have just paid a 50 dollar deductible
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Bullhockey. Call BMW and complain. That is not acceptable if it is a CPO car, and you haven't dicked with the valve cover. Go take it to another dealership as well. Who made that call? The tech, shop foreman, advisor, manager?


And believe me- I have replaced valve covers, oil filter housing and timing case covers that the rubber gaskets literally come out in pieces. Imagine breaking a candy cane. Just like that. You wonder why it leaks!
yah Ive seen DIY on valve covers. In candy cane pieces! Makes no sense except poor material engineering. It was an advisor at BMW. Good idea I will complain. thanks
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Not sure if this is the case with your car, but I would never buy a lease return. People don't break them in properly and drive them very hard. What do they care?
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Oh wait- your in Canada....... That's a whole different story. I don't know CPO guidelines in Canada.


The water pump, thermostat and valve cover gasket would have been covered (provided there was a fault for it and the tech got a diag code for the water pump and thermostat- valve cover gasket doesn't need an electronic "mother may I") and you would have just paid a 50 dollar deductible
agreed. wish it was as easy as paying deductible. I will complain and ask service manager tomorrow.
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Wear and tear is trim, suspension, brakes, tires, maintenance, bushings etc.....


Things American CPO doesn't cover is radio, suspension, sunroof/convertible, telematics, suspension etc.

Major stuff is though, oil leaks, evaporator, control modules (most) etc.
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      12-16-2012, 10:39 PM   #32
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Wait- did you go CPO or aftermarket warranty?

CPO
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      12-16-2012, 10:43 PM   #33
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We already got past that point lol
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I am also a mechanical engineer and own a 335i. Surely as an engineer you know how much more advanced the mechanics behind the engine are compared to your Honda/vw and Hyundai. This does not mean BMW is an unreliable company it's a known fact the 335i is unreliable but other BMWs aren't and are relatively cheap to own. The fact that you can get over 750hp on stock internals out of a 335i shows its overbuilt. Assuming you like what you do, being a ME, than you like fixing problems, I know I did when I encountered them on my 335
Yes as a ME, I can understand and appreciate the complexity of this beast. But I'm sure you can appreciate that a company; in addition to producing the Ultimate Driving Machine, should also be in the Pursuit of Excellence. So they don't manufacture thousands of cars(n54), prior to complete life cycle testing and need to recall them afterwards, or have to produce a second gen N55. Surely BMW had enough N54 test mules that they could have inferred that HPFP, water pumps, rubber components, injectors, turbos etc will fail. I do enjoy working on cars-sometimes. But being a mechanic for many years working on other peoples stuff has kind of jaded my enthusiasm for mechanical repair; especially when it shouldn't be broken and I'm not getting paid hourly.
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You can't say n55 was a bandaid. N55 came along just like other designations came previously......m60/m62/m62tu, n62/n62tu, n63/n63tu, m50/m52/m52tu/m54 etc etc

It was just time to replace it. It's been out since 2007, it was overdue actually.


Also, a new engine with a ton of miles does NOT help when Father Time beats on your door. They can't see things in age as well as just plain mileage on a dyno or on the road.... Know what I mean?
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You can't say n55 was a bandaid. N55 came along just like other designations came previously......m60/m62/m62tu, n62/n62tu, n63/n63tu, m50/m52/m52tu/m54 etc etc

It was just time to replace it. It's been out since 2007, it was overdue actually.


Also, a new engine with a ton of miles does NOT help when Father Time beats on your door. They can't see things in age as well as just plain mileage on a dyno or on the road.... Know what I mean?
ok I agree
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Expanding on that logic must mean the Yugo was the most soulful car ever made.

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Yugos market niche was for people who couldn't afford a Hyundai, or were not willing to pay for one. In the 80-90's. Rock bottom pricing was their philosophy.

Your derivation of my logic, drawing your dotted line between the Yugo and soul, was a digression without conclusion not an expansion.

But I do understand what you meant to say , as I am sure you understood me when making your expansion.
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So wait a second, BMW replaces the rear crankshaft seal and clutch (I assume due to oil contamination), but won't replace a valve cover gasket because of "wear & tear". Didn't you see this as ass backwards? So a seal that is supposed to seal around a rotating shaft is not seen as a wear and tear item, but a gasket (seal) that is STATIC by besign and doesn't seal any moving parts is a wear and tear issue. LOL

I'm sorry, but a car that is supposed to be as well engineered as a BMW shouldn't have failing valve cover gaskets, especially if the issue is material engineering. One of the ideas behind BMW is that you pay for better engineering, but it's really not so.
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you should of look into to a is350 if you wanted reliability and power at same time
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Bum deal. Sorry to hear about all your issues.

Just a heads up, BMW Select does NOT allow you to just "walk away" when you're done with your payments. You're still obligated to pay the balloon payment somehow. Cash, finance, etc.
Technically u sell it back to them. They try to calculate that your car will be worth what the balloon payment is at the end. Of course market forces will determine the exact price at the time but it could be the same, more or less.
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Wow I had no idea how much CPO sucks in Canada. I just looked into it:
"Seals and gaskets are only covered if used during the course of a repair or replacement of the above parts/components."

So if the valve cover needs service, the gasket is covered, but if it's just the gasket, you are SOL.

What a joke!

Here's the link: http://www.bmw.ca/ca/en/usedvehicles..._Guide_Eng.pdf

Also pistons and valves are not covered.

This is a pretty weak warranty. I'm not impressed. I bought CPO because it's supposed to be "for the first six years (or 160,000 kilometres, whichever comes first), you'll be covered by a Protection Plan that has been specifically designed to give you and your Certified Series® BMW the very best coverage there is"

Best coverage my ass. WTF why do we always get screwed in Canada?
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I just wanted to rant a bit about this car. First of all, kind of a POS-only has 60K on it. I purchased it from a BMW dealer as a Certified lease return and was excited that I could get into what I thought was a better car than my Honda's or VW in my past. I have owned the car for about a year and purchased it with 36K KM, and had all of its regular things done to it by that time: HPFP, turbos and injectors. Okay, so I understand this was an early car and there are teething problems. I have owned it for about 24K km now, and its been back in for clutch(because rear main seal leak) and water pump was all covered under warranty. Valve cover gasket is leaking now and not covered under extended warranty because it is wear/tear. Wouldn't complain, but it is a 1000K job-yes, I could do it myself for cheaper, but realistically buying a premium car shouldn't require me to do so.
I was complaining to the dealer about the relative unreliability of this car and I regretted not leasing so I can give the car back when I was done with it. He told me that this was a very rewarding car to drive, and many owners stretch themselves getting into the car and cant afford to maintain them. Sure I agree a little, but fact is that a Hyundai is not this unreliable. It infers that BMW owners have more money than brains to accept this unreliability because of the BMW logo.
I am a mechanical engineer, and was a licensed mechanic for 10 years before becoming so, and am appalled at the reliability of this car. Why are simple things as water pumps, or valve cover gaskets failing at 60K? My Toyota 4Runner had 380K km on it and only required a water pump because I changed the timing belt and was cost efficient to replace at that time.
Anyways, I'm gonna replace the valve cover gasket shortly, and hope nothing else explodes or breaks down on me. I luckily opted for the finance plan with a balloon payment at the end so I think I can just give them car back and walk away. From now on, I will remove any of my pre-conceived notions on what makes a "cool" car and just buy Japanese. They are somewhat soul less machines, but I wont be stopping off at the dealer on my free time to drop it off to get it fixed.
a ferarri needs to be rebuilt after 10k miles and an oil change is 3k consider yourself lucky lol, and sorry to hear the bad news man, thats all diy stuff though easy fixes, hope you have better luck
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Um, n54 valve cover is NOT very DYI friendly.
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