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      12-09-2012, 02:48 PM   #1
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Switching push/pull paddles for pull/pull.

Get in! Put a cheeky bid of 140 for some brand new M3 paddles and it was accepted! No more push/pulling for me and should suit the DCT manual shifts a treat!

I've looked in the DIY guides but don't seem to be able to find a pictorial guide of the end to end process. Anybody know if there is one? Otherwise, will just have to use extracts of steering wheel removal etc.

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i did this the other week

On my 2007 E92 335d it was a straight swap


Just remover the 3 screws holding the trim around the air on

use a small posidrive screw driver to relaese the airbag, one spring clip on each side of a/b unit

remove the electrical connector for the air bag

unclip the paddle connector from the MFSW buttons each side then unscrew the paddles

fit the new m3 versions and follow the above guidelines in reverse order
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      12-09-2012, 03:15 PM   #3
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Don't forget to disconnect the battery first - and wait a few minutes for the trigger to discharge.

Airbags make a hell of a noise when they go off.

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Don't do it! The push/pull shifters are much better! Had them in my previous E90 I wish I could switch back
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Don't do it! The push/pull shifters are much better! Had them in my previous E90 I wish I could switch back
Ah ha!!
Somebody else that thinks like me!!

Nice one Chris.

Newer ones do look better, but I miss the functionality of the rockers.
Just got a set from eBay that I'm going to try and fit, although I've heard the newer ones have a slightly smaller base than the old, so it may not work.

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Ah ha!!
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Nice one Chris.

Newer ones do look better, but I miss the functionality of the rockers.
Just got a set from eBay that I'm going to try and fit, although I've heard the newer ones have a slightly smaller base than the old, so it may not work.

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Definately! The new ones do look better and have perhaps a more positive 'click', although it is a little plasticky.

The push/pull paddles were far easier to reach and being able to change up and down with either hand is much much better.

I seem to struggle to change down whilst turning now, whereas when the push button was effectively on the front of the wheel it was dead easy
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Ah ha!!
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Nice one Chris.

Newer ones do look better, but I miss the functionality of the rockers.
Just got a set from eBay that I'm going to try and fit, although I've heard the newer ones have a slightly smaller base than the old, so it may not work.

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Agreed! I only made the switch because I bought the longer ones **********s sells... I really like being able to change gears for the 8 and 4 oclock positions.



Overall whats nice about push and pull is that you can completely control the gears from either side of the steering wheel, through turns the is especially useful
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what year is your car they wont work on lci cars without a lot of messing with the wiring, but fit straight onto pre lci cars.
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what year is your car they wont work on lci cars without a lot of messing with the wiring, but fit straight onto pre lci cars.
It's an E92 58 (late 2008 build), so pre lci as far as I'm aware and should be plug and play.
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It's an E92 58 (late 2008 build), so pre lci as far as I'm aware and should be plug and play.
yes that should work fine
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yes that should work fine
Great, thanks for confirming!

Want to give the new paddles a try, if I don't like them I could always revert back to the OEM push/pull type.
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Overall whats nice about push and pull is that you can completely control the gears from either side of the steering wheel, through turns the is especially useful
Totally agree

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what year is your car they wont work on lci cars without a lot of messing with the wiring, but fit straight onto pre lci cars.
My LCi (2009) had the push/pull
The new one (2011) has the pull/pull

I need to investigate the wiring to check which is the up shift and which is the downshift - as well as the size thing!

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Totally agree



My LCi (2009) had the push/pull
The new one (2011) has the pull/pull

I need to investigate the wiring to check which is the up shift and which is the downshift - as well as the size thing!

Mike
the push/pull and m3 paddles don't have inbuilt resistors the lci paddles do to make the m3 paddles work on an lci car you have to wire in resistors. I fitted lci paddles to an m3 wheel and m3 paddles to an 07 se wheel both without problems.
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Coming from never having had flappy paddles before, and my only experience of them from playing Sega Virtua Racing in 1992 (which is about the only time I ever had a flappy paddle gearbox on anything) I find the push/pull ones completely counterintuitive and wish I could pull the left paddle to shift down a gear and pull the right paddle to shift up a gear... Someone please tell me there's some magic software way to activate this and I'm doing it wrong?*



*If brain software can be activated in my head, please supply activation code
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NO software you just open it up and switch wires 1 and 3 around in the paddle connections.

There are some very good pictorial DIY's
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Coming from never having had flappy paddles before, and my only experience of them from playing Sega Virtua Racing in 1992 (which is about the only time I ever had a flappy paddle gearbox on anything) I find the push/pull ones completely counterintuitive and wish I could pull the left paddle to shift down a gear and pull the right paddle to shift up a gear... Someone please tell me there's some magic software way to activate this and I'm doing it wrong?*



*If brain software can be activated in my head, please supply activation code
You have two options:

1) Switch to the M3 paddles like I now have:




2) Change the wiring as AP confirms. Not too difficult as there is only 3 wires coming from each paddle. Further details can be found here:
http://www.bmwland.co.uk/forums/view...iring#p1089081

Over time I did get used to the push/pull set up that is used on most BMWs, but really like the look and feel of the new M3 paddles. So will keep them until which time I find the need for the push function or I change the car and I can change them back to standard in all of a few minutes (it really is an easy job once you've done it the once and are aware of how to get the airbag off).
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You confirmed my suspicions... thanks for the info! Guess I have to wait until my warranty expires
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Took mine off this afternoon for a better look.

The push/pull ones are analogue switched - there are 3 wires to each, a common and an up and a down. Both can be put in parallel. Pretty simple.

The pull/pull ones are digitally switched. They are 2 wire, and are connected together, so there is a circuit with a resistance made all the time. As each paddle is pulled, it brings another resistor into play to give a high signal or low signal. Not so simple. Less plug and play, more plug and no play.

The push/pull ones are from an LCi car.
My car is a late LCi with the pull/pull blades.

Looks like I'm going to have to live with it for a while, until I get my thinking head on and delve into the circuitry inside the switches.

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I purchased Nick's(NJ1161) old 2011 M3 Steering Wheel for my 2006 335i. Wasn't too sure if it would be as straightforward as a simple plug'n'play operation

Nick assured me it would fit without any issues as it had done previously on his 335d



and guess what he was right and within 20 minutes I had a decent set of pull pull paddles that work as they should of done from the factory rather than the push/pull items. This makes so much difference to the driving experience if you use the paddles trust me do it
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Took mine off this afternoon for a better look.

The push/pull ones are analogue switched - there are 3 wires to each, a common and an up and a down. Both can be put in parallel. Pretty simple.

The pull/pull ones are digitally switched. They are 2 wire, and are connected together, so there is a circuit with a resistance made all the time. As each paddle is pulled, it brings another resistor into play to give a high signal or low signal. Not so simple. Less plug and play, more plug and no play.

The push/pull ones are from an LCi car.
My car is a late LCi with the pull/pull blades.

Looks like I'm going to have to live with it for a while, until I get my thinking head on and delve into the circuitry inside the switches.

Mike
there are threads on the us sites for the wiring and resistors needed
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there are threads on the us sites for the wiring and resistors needed
Thanks - I'll have a browse over the festive period.
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