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      12-22-2012, 09:23 PM   #89
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I5 between LA and SFO deserted??? When was that? (LOL). I feel like there is no where to get away from traffic in this state. Maybe I need to be on the road at 3-4 am?
Exactly. Go late at night/early in the morning. We'd hit the road at around midnight and get past the grapevine well after 1 AM. Of course, this was back in the early 90s also so traffic may have been lighter. I averaged just over 100 mph from Torrance to the heart of Berkley, CA. This is with 2 gas stops b/c I was burning fuel at well under 10 mpg. Good times... stupid times... but still, Good Times!
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Each to their own....
My 335 has been totally reliable as has my M3 and all of my BMWs before this with only one POS which I bought that way and knew I would work on it for fun.

Asian reliability has been no better than the American cars I have owned, Toy Avalon virtue of reliability? Not at all.

I am an engineer and pilot and from years of doing all my own maintenance I know that German cars to include VW-Audi-MB-BMW-Porsche all require periodic maintenance. That is something that should be accepted and understood before buying one.

Very much sounds like you got a lemon. No car should have these issues. You have read when many of us have zero issues with the 335 as it should be.

Not sure what to tell you but selling it would at this point not work. But keeping it even with a warranty doesn't sound good either.

I don't see the 335 as high maintenance at all compared to my other BMWs or having an issue with reliability but as I mentioned I don't have any issues with mine and it was the 2nd ED E93 I picked up in Munich MAR 2007...
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Yeah I tend to agree with OP. I love a lot of things about my car, but I have also had a lot of issues with my car that fall into the category of "just shouldn't happen". Its like they designed some of the parts/systems 90% of the way and then didn't bother to test them.

Also, my current BMW SA is a good guy, but over the years my experience with BMW service departments has been pretty hit or miss. And yeah I know I can go to different dealers and SA's or CA's but I shouldn't have to. A brand like BMW should have a more consistent and better managed service experience.

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      12-23-2012, 03:11 AM   #92
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I have to disagree with u GS fsport or not it is never going to be better then a e90 that has no electric steering crap and is a lot lighter then the heavy weight GS......let's keep it in perspective every new owner thinks there new ride is gods gift...........the GS f sport is not even in the same class as 335i in handling, accceleration or steering feel nor driving dynamics due to over weight issues. Please compare apples to apples GS is more of a 5er competitor and not 3. On a track or street the 3er will be leaps and bounds ahead of it. I am sorry but are way off comparing 3er to heavy weight GS.

As far as reliability goes let's not talk Toyota as they have one of the largest recalls on their brand new cars. Compared to anybody else right now

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I love my 335i when I had it. It was my all time favorite car to drive. With regard to the GS I have the F Sport. Not sure which version your sister had. I would expect the Luxury version to have more body roll than the F Sport.

The more i drive the GS the more I prefer if over my 335i with Sport Package. It may not be as connected as the 335i given its larger size and extra 400lbs. But it's damn close. Lexus has completely changed how their cars handle with the GS. All I know is I do not miss the 335i at all. Maybe the acceleration. It's a lot of fun driving a turbo car.

Aside from handling, BMW has nothing on Toyota/Lexus in terms of reliability. The 335i was a blast until it hits 60k miles. It's almost like a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Previously my '01 330ci transmission broke at 60k. Yes 60k miles I was facing a $4k transmission repair. Interestingly last week my coworker told me the water pump on his '10 335i coupe with 52k miles broke. It cost him $1,600.

So my advice is, have some money set aside if you plan on owning a BMW past warranty. And finally, take your car to an independent mechanic to have it checked out for problems about 5k miles before your warrant expire. That $150 will be well spent.
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      12-23-2012, 01:22 PM   #93
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...yah for sure. Just a gasket-why is would it crumble to pieces? Car is only 4 years old...
Why does the valve cover gasket go bad in less than 50k miles (80k km)? How about:
  • High performance engine with oil temperatures consistently above 230º F
  • Part of the gasket sits right above the exhaust, two blazing hot turbos roasting it.

Same thing happened to the VCG on my E39, just not a soon. I changed it out myself when I did my VANOS seals. The side nearest the exhaust looses elasticity and hardens like hard plastic. It stops sealing and eventually cracks.

Just had my VCG done under factory warranty and I fully expect to have to do it again before 100k miles. Not DIY friendly because of the direct injection. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

The key with long-term BMW ownership is proactive preventative maintenance. The factory recommended maintenance schedule should really be called the "absolute minimum maintenance schedule".

For example, I have to change my transmission and differential fluids soon (manual trans). BMW claims "lifetime fill" and even puts that on a sticker on the transmission. The dealer that services my car did not have the fluid because "we never sell any, if we sell a transmission it comes pre-filled". Never mind that the M3, which has the same 6MT transmission, requires fluid change every 30k mi.

My choice is to buy a 5L jug for $160 and have 3L sitting around for 2 years, or find a dealer that will sell me 2L of the stuff. Time consuming and PITA but it has to be done.
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Each to their own....
My 335 has been totally reliable as has my M3 and all of my BMWs before this with only one POS which I bought that way and knew I would work on it for fun.

Asian reliability has been no better than the American cars I have owned, Toy Avalon virtue of reliability? Not at all.

I am an engineer and pilot and from years of doing all my own maintenance I know that German cars to include VW-Audi-MB-BMW-Porsche all require periodic maintenance. That is something that should be accepted and understood before buying one.

Very much sounds like you got a lemon. No car should have these issues. You have read when many of us have zero issues with the 335 as it should be.

Not sure what to tell you but selling it would at this point not work. But keeping it even with a warranty doesn't sound good either.

I don't see the 335 as high maintenance at all compared to my other BMWs or having an issue with reliability but as I mentioned I don't have any issues with mine and it was the 2nd ED E93 I picked up in Munich MAR 2007...
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I would first quote another member of this forum who's a trained tech:
“There are people here that continually bash BMW for doing certain things wrong and not doing them the way they think it should be. [….] Why the hell would you buy one and drive one then if you guys hate them so much? Go buy a Civic or something. Ohh wait, that will break too. There is no "perfect" car that will not have problems. While BMW may have issues [ ..] every other manufacturer out there does something along the line with their vehicles that is "out of the norm" that someone is not going to like and bitch about. Or they will have common problems, just like BMW does.
For instance. If you own a 2.5 Nissan Altima. They are NOTORIOUS for having front catalytic converter issues. The cat material breaks on the top portion of the cat. It then gets sucked into the engine causing massive cylinder wall damage, oil consumption, which then leads to a new engine! Ohh BTW if you are out of the emissions warranty YOU'RE F@$%^T ! Then you have to foot the bill for a new engine. I’d much rather pay for a battery registration then an engine! Ohh BTW this is on a $20,000 car too!”
Nissan copied "the[ BMW] technology" and use much, much cheaper parts. Yes it’s a 20k car, but it still looks feels like a 20k car. Is it more reliable? Maybe in some aspects. I worked for Nissan for over 6 years. They may have not had HPFP failures, but they had their share of major issues as well. Like I mentioned, the 2.5 motor issue which has been going on for years. When they came out with the CVT transmission every CVT car basically got a transmission. I’d rather have my car in limp mode and driveable than be completely stranded, cars wouldn't move at all! We had them blowing up @ less than 1000 miles. We stocked 5-6 CVT transmission at a time and probably did 5-10 per week! We stocked 2.5 engines and were doing upwards of 5 per week. Muranos and Rogues were getting transfer case after transfer case. They couldn't keep them in the car from blowing. Let’s not talk about the MASSIVE sub frame recall they had on the later year Maximas/Altimas. They recalled 400,000 vehicles! Every single car had to get a complete rear sub frame put in them, because the bushings would separate from the subframe, this was on cars with 10,000 miles. So let’s not talk about BMWs not being reliable. Like I said, being in the field, you see things, other people just like to bitch and assume and slam the manufacturer for doing things wrong. They only see the bad. Yes BMW has massive HPFP problems. Does it make their cars unreliable? Not any more unreliable than any other manufacturer out there I can tell you that. "

I would only add to the above the following: there is a common problem with a big chunk of those complaining on this forum about BMW being unreliable, they purchased a car outside their financial comfort zone/ taking a high risk ... some cannot afford the basic minimal maintenance ( I've seen people complaining about the cost of registering a battery or not being able to afford an RFT tire!!). When reality catches up some show they are bad losers (or...worse...). Others continue to live in denial blaming BMW for the situation they got into.
If you cannot afford a BMW tire or a BMW battery or a BMW water pump then you cannot afford this car. Stay away from it. Leave it to those who can.
Buying a pre-owned BMW is pure Russian roulette, saves you a ton of money if you're lucky (= the previous owner took good care of the car). Unfortunately the typical BMW owner in NA rarely falls into this category.

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Which transmission did the 330ci have and did you do any maintenance on it prior? Just curious here, 60k is way to early for either the auto or the manual to fail even without a fluid change. BTW, 60k is a maximum interval for automatic transmission fluid change, not necessarily a recommended interval.

Also, what went wrong with your '07 335i? Is it in a previous post?
On the '01 330ci I had the steptronic auto tranny. Purchased the car at 20k miles and the previous owner was a BMW fanatic with all maintenance done. When I took possession I took great care of it too. I'm a home mechanic so all maintenance were up to date. Transmission fluids were changed according to schedule if not earlier probably every 30k miles.

With the '07 335i they changed out both turbos when it had 40k miles in the tune of $4k per turbo not including labor (warranty). I did not notice anything wrong with the car but the SA said there was a metallic noise and wanted to look further. Glad he found out before I did. He also did something with the wastegate. Later at 60k miles the fuel pump went out. Again under warranty. I also had a couple ABS/wheel sensors that went bad. One time they could not fix a bad brake sensor after 3 attempts. I then looked at it myself and realized one of the wires were cut. I replaced that and it fixed everything. Not sure how that cable got cut or how BMW missed it.

At close to 100k miles they found multiple leaks near the turbos, engine, and gasket. Fortunately the extended warranty covered that. Probably $3-4k repair. Hence my recommendation that you take you BMW to a mechanic to have it thoroughly checked out prior to warranty expiration.

Having said all this. The 335i and the 330ci were one of my all time favorite cars. I still love them even though they gave me such headaches. It is sad that they were not built to last a long time. With the new Lexus I'm excited at that possibility.
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I have to disagree with u GS fsport or not it is never going to be better then a e90 that has no electric steering crap and is a lot lighter then the heavy weight GS......let's keep it in perspective every new owner thinks there new ride is gods gift...........the GS f sport is not even in the same class as 335i in handling, accceleration or steering feel nor driving dynamics due to over weight issues. Please compare apples to apples GS is more of a 5er competitor and not 3. On a track or street the 3er will be leaps and bounds ahead of it. I am sorry but are way off comparing 3er to heavy weight GS.

As far as reliability goes let's not talk Toyota as they have one of the largest recalls on their brand new cars. Compared to anybody else right now
Agree with you that the GS cannot beat the e90 in handling and performance. Heck even the new 3 series can't touch the old e90. And let's not even bring in the 5 series. The last great 5 series was in the e39 era. The e60 was ok, and the new F10 is a complete disappointment. If I give the e90 a 10 for performance, the GS easily score an 8-9. Perhaps it's because I don't take the GS to the track so I can't compare its upper limit. I remember how I thought the e90 handled great until I took my Corvette to the track. It absolutely spank the e90. But in city driving I thought the e90 was awesome.

The main thing I wanted to share is my personal ownership and reliability issues with the two BMW I've owned. Interestingly I've owned a C5 Z06 and a C6 Corvette. Both of them had better reliability than the BMW, by a mile. The same goes with an '06 Acura TL, an '05 Infiniti G35, and multiple Hondas. And yes I admit that all manufactures have their problems. But statistically you'll have a worse chance with a BMW. Those with trouble free BMWs, consider yourself very lucky.
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plan to keep her another 80k --- so keep on trashing and complaining about reliability. I'll just keep laughing at you and your lack of traditional maintenance.
I purchased my 335i with 20K miles so not much traditional maintenance could have been missed. I will always do traditional maintenance as well. I now have 30K miles but still have had the following replaced in the 10K miles I have owned it...
-Head Gasket
-Filter manifold gasket
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-Pulleys twice ( same pulleys)
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-Windshield washer fluid pump
-Power steering pump
-AC pump
And yes it was recieving the reg maintenance and I know this because it was in the system at the same BMW I am getting the warranty work completed at.

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As far as reliability goes let's not talk Toyota as they have one of the largest recalls on their brand new cars. Compared to anybody else right now
Toyota actually sends out recalls for everything, big or small. Thats why they have so many recalls. They actually fix the parts or problems that a few of the cars the produce have. Now we all know how long BMW took to just admit the wastegate and HPFP issue.
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I am glad that we agree that BMW E90 3er has superior driving dynamics compared to Lexus GS Fsport.

As far as reliability is concerned I am not saying that BMW is perfect by any means. I think they can surely improve the reliability of their cars.

Specially Some of the things like mechatronic sleeve failure in most 4.4 liter V8 engines and oil leaks due to gasket failures, timming and valve cover leaks etc...etc.....should be improved upon with better designs for greater reliability. The oil change maintenance intervals should be reduced to at least 5K miles in order for greater reliability and same thing with tranny fluids etc....they should be with more reasonable time frame to improve durability of their product.

However, on the other side I believe all manufacturers have their own reliability issue from Toyota, and Nissan to Honda....etc.....no one is perfect.

I have had my share of issues with BMW but maybe I am super proactive and get most things taken care of under warranty. I have always taken BMW's extended 100K mile warranty which is beneficial in long run. I have to also give credit to my BMW SA and Tech they have always taken care of my car and issues. I know them well and it helps with the process. So far BMW has stood by all the issues my cars have ever had under warranty.

As far as luxury cars go all of them are expensive to maintain after warranty expires no matter what brand. If you talk exotic cars then the cost to maintain is just insane. However, the driving pleasure is also insane.


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Agree with you that the GS cannot beat the e90 in handling and performance. Heck even the new 3 series can't touch the old e90. And let's not even bring in the 5 series. The last great 5 series was in the e39 era. The e60 was ok, and the new F10 is a complete disappointment. If I give the e90 a 10 for performance, the GS easily score an 8-9. Perhaps it's because I don't take the GS to the track so I can't compare its upper limit. I remember how I thought the e90 handled great until I took my Corvette to the track. It absolutely spank the e90. But in city driving I thought the e90 was awesome.

The main thing I wanted to share is my personal ownership and reliability issues with the two BMW I've owned. Interestingly I've owned a C5 Z06 and a C6 Corvette. Both of them had better reliability than the BMW, by a mile. The same goes with an '06 Acura TL, an '05 Infiniti G35, and multiple Hondas. And yes I admit that all manufactures have their problems. But statistically you'll have a worse chance with a BMW. Those with trouble free BMWs, consider yourself very lucky.
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I have owned multiple BMW's and maintained them so I know that BMW does send you warranty recalls much like Toyota does. By the way I have had plenty of my share of Toyota's in family too and they go through their own reliability issues. Only difference is that a $20K car issues are much cheaper to fix then a $50K car.

Toyota's new cars have just failed brand new safety test crashes, they have had lawsuits filed against them for run away cars. They have had stranded their customers many times until lawsuit was filed for them to take corrective measure. Such was the case with their chronic sludge issues with 3.0 liter /3.3 liter engines that were leaving folks with nearly 50% of their cars price in engine repairs.

Here is a link of Toyota's issues with engines.

http://toyotasludge.com/resources


Bottom line is No car manufacturer is perfect. Some times they take corrective measures themselves and some time we as consumers have to force them to take action.

I am not on BMW side nor against Toyota. I would actually like all car manufacturers to offer greater and longer warranty to prove that their car is durable and will last long time. In which case BMW has superior warranty (4yr/50K) then Toyota (3yr/36K). Also, for what it is worth the original first owner of a new BMW cars has no worries as all maintenance and warranty is usually taken care of for first 4 years. According to research most new luxury car owners keep a car for 4-5 yrs and put on avg. any where between 10K-12K miels on their cars per year. Based on that BMW as a manufacturer is great for new car owners and not so great for pre-owned owners unless you go with their CPO extended warranty etc. It is for a reason that BMW is one of the fastest growing luxury car maker with regards to overall sales.

The fact of the matter is these forums are full of majority of those people who wants to drive a 50K car for 28K after 4yrs and then complain about lack of BMW reliability. That is like marrying a hooker and then complaining about getting sexual diseases......j/k

To be honest as of right now only manufacture to offer longest warranty and standing behind their vehicle are the two Korean brands with (5yr/60K comprehensive and (10yr/100K limited powertrain). So I think if reliability is ones main concern then one should show their support by giving their money to manufacturers that stand behind their vehicles with greater comprehensive warranty and maintenance. As of right now the Koreans have made huge gains and are also among the fastest growing car company. All thanks to super long warranty, lower prices, and nicer looking designs.

I believe 10 yrs ago I would have not thought of ever owning a Korean car. However, after driving them back to back with Japanese car their is not much give in quality nor feel. The only difference is that Korean offer cheaper car with more features and better styled designs that evoke thoughts of German luxury cars thanks to them stealing the Audi designer.

Anyways, I would love to see BMW offer 100K warranty like KIA. However, I am not holding my breath for it....



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Maybe American cars are more reliable then if people are saying the Asian cars have a lot of problems here. Because I've owned American for 15 years. I had a 1991 and 1994 firebird with over 100k on each one and I drove them for years only having to replace an alternator and a radiator. Those are "high performance" vehicles that people are talking like the 335i is also. Even if you look at American car forums, peoples focus isn't on how to make the car more reliable, it's how to make it faster.
My second car is a 2010 gmc sierra right now. I have over 40k miles on it and it hasn't had one problem.I didn't buy the e90 335i thinking I was buying a Ferrari, and I don't even see how people compare it like that.
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I'm pretty sure a Lexus is just as complex as a BMW. My currently '13 GS 350 has park assist, lane departure, magnetic suspension, and a host of things my previous '07 335i didn't have. I've only had it for 5k miles. Yet I'm pretty confident this thing will hold up 10x better than any BMW.

The fact is, BMW is UNABLE to make reliable cars. If they could, don't you think they would. So please stop all this nonsense (cool-aid) about how sophisticated cars are less reliable.

Now knowing all the above, I had a more realistic expectations of my '07 335i when I purchased it. I knew I would visit the dealer often, and that it would not be built like a tank (turbos replaced, fuel pump, and multiple seal leaks). I made sure I had extended warranty. And finally made sure to sell it before the warranty expired (100k mi).

As for that mystic BMW driving dynamic. I'm happy to say Lexus has found the secret in their '13 GS. After driving the GS350 for the past 5 months, I do not miss the 335i at all. It handles just as well as the 335i, but it rides 10x better. I absolutely love it. And knowing I can drive this puppy beyond 100k miles is just icing on the cake.
The comparison you just offered is between a 2013 and a 2007. That's 6 years. The fasct that the BMW had the technology it had 6 years ago should show you just how advanced it is compared to other cars. Example: Most american car companies (Big 3) are just getting in to DI in their regular line up of cars. BMW has been doing it for over 6 years now. Think of where those otyher companies were in reference to the technology they were putting into their cars in 2007. They just can't compair. Does this mean that BMW is behind the times? No, it means that they were pushing the performance envelope before everyone else. This is what most people don't notice. The cars that they are comparing makes a massive (yes 6 years of car technology is massive) difference. If you were to do this in other areas; computers for example, you would see the same thing.

If you want reliability you go with proven tech. If you want top of the line performance you go with the latest tech, but understand that it hasn't had the extensive testing that 6 years of real world use gives you.
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Maybe American cars are more reliable then if people are saying the Asian cars have a lot of problems here. Because I've owned American for 15 years. I had a 1991 and 1994 firebird with over 100k on each one and I drove them for years only having to replace an alternator and a radiator. Those are "high performance" vehicles that people are talking like the 335i is also. Even if you look at American car forums, peoples focus isn't on how to make the car more reliable, it's how to make it faster.
My second car is a 2010 gmc sierra right now. I have over 40k miles on it and it hasn't had one problem.I didn't buy the e90 335i thinking I was buying a Ferrari, and I don't even see how people compare it like that.
I tend to agree, American cars have gotten way more reliable as of late. The problem is, many people making car buying decisions were alive in the 1970s and 1980s when they were really pretty bad. So they have had an uphill battle to overcome those preconceived notions. I think the American manufacturers have stepped up their game immensely, especially in the small and midsize car segment.
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Wow I had no idea how much CPO sucks in Canada. I just looked into it:
"Seals and gaskets are only covered if used during the course of a repair or replacement of the above parts/components."

So if the valve cover needs service, the gasket is covered, but if it's just the gasket, you are SOL.

What a joke!

Here's the link: http://www.bmw.ca/ca/en/usedvehicles..._Guide_Eng.pdf

Also pistons and valves are not covered.

This is a pretty weak warranty. I'm not impressed. I bought CPO because it's supposed to be "for the first six years (or 160,000 kilometres, whichever comes first), you'll be covered by a Protection Plan that has been specifically designed to give you and your Certified Series® BMW the very best coverage there is"

Best coverage my ass. WTF why do we always get screwed in Canada?
Never mind shitty warranties, we also get price gouged HARD by BMW Canada. There's no reason for a 335 in the US to cost 12k less than it does in Canada. It's a load of BS if you ask me.
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I am not on BMW side nor against Toyota. I would actually like all car manufacturers to offer greater and longer warranty to prove that their car is durable and will last long time. In which case BMW has superior warranty (4yr/50K) then Toyota (3yr/36K). Also, for what it is worth the original first owner of a new BMW cars has no worries as all maintenance and warranty is usually taken care of for first 4 years. According to research most new luxury car owners keep a car for 4-5 yrs and put on avg. any where between 10K-12K miels on their cars per year.

Anyways, I would love to see BMW offer 100K warranty like KIA. However, I am not holding my breath for it....
Let's not compare Toyota warranty with BMW warranty.

In the luxury car segment, BMW has the worst POWERTRAIN warranty: 4 years or 50k miles, same as Audi and Mercedes Benz.

LEXUS, Acura, and Cadillac has the best POWERTRAIN warranty in the luxury segment, 6 YEARS or 70K miles. Heck even Infiniti (5/70k) offer better warranty than BMW.

With regard to maintenance for the first 4 years, for most new cars all you need is oil changes, brake fluids, wipers, and a couple filters. Nothing to write home about.

I'm planning on keeping my Lexus longer than 5 years hence I passed on the BMW this time around. Sucks since the BMW would have been much cheaper for me. Hopefully next time BMW can figure out how to build more reliable cars. I would love to jump back in one again. But for now, no thank you.

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Americans are pretty reliable, just have to know which model to get. Big Chevy SUVs and trucks do easy 200k+ miles.
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Sounds like most people in this thread are going to buy a Hyundai in the near future...oh wait, no they won't.
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Americans are pretty reliable, just have to know which model to get. Big Chevy SUVs and trucks do easy 200k+ miles.
Yup, for a lot less maintaince cost overall.

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The more soul your car has, the more error prone it will be.
with all due respect, you are greatly mistaken. After owning german, american, japanese cars I can tell you it not about orgin of automotive that matter in long term but the overall "Zen" the car brings... The good moments will always negate the bad ones but constant costly repairs moments really disrupt the peace of the mind. Overall, the point is I think a good car satisfies the mind and THE heart..
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I do agree the BMW reliability is behind the curve, but not by much. I think people tend to complain more about BMW because repair costs is much higher than most other brands I can think of other than exotics.

What my other concern is, how is BMW not loosing a shit ton of money due to unreliable cars, with a warranty up to 50k and the problems people are reporting it seems as though the company should be doing terrible. Heck most people here even go as far as get the CPO or extended warranty for their cars. If it really is a big epidemic as people on this forum say it is then BMW would seriously be doing bad business and cutting into profits. Its not cheap to replace parts, pay of technicians, provide fleet of loaners, etc.

With that said I am kinda worried about my 335i after reading this thread. I was actually leaning towards the 328i because of better reliability but lets see what happens, current plan is to drive it from 60k to 120k will report what happens.
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1 out of 500 335i shouldn't have passed their QC... I never had issues while owning a 335i for 3 years.. some people though had issues within the first month of ownership...

I guess you should just consider yourself the unluckiest person to be chosen 1 out of 500
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