Holy cow swirls are hard to remove from a JB Bimmer... - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

N0OS3 · 11-25-2012, 12:33 AM

I went over the hole car in 3000 grit wet sand, followed up with yellow "Lake County" cutting pad and Zaino Z-PC, then orange "Lake Country" polishing pad with Z-5 polish, then just got finished buffing in the Zaino Z-CS (sealant) and i'm still seeing those dastardly (yeah, i went there.) swirls...

The bright side is, the car looks blacker than before... like... a DEEEEEP endless black... looks really nice.. if only the swirls weren't there, it'd look like a showroom floor finish.

Thinking about getting the purple cutting pad next... it's the coarsest one they have, but i can't image it would be any more effective than the 3000 grit i used...

Any tips from you detail guys?

supahdave · 11-25-2012, 01:16 AM

Try using meguiars m105/205 combo. I found zaino just doesnt cut well. Can also try menzerna sip.

joro2077 · 11-25-2012, 04:38 AM

dont get the purple pad I wasn't happy at all..I've got better results with yellow/orange and 105/205 combo

catchx34 · 11-25-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by supahdave

Try using meguiars m105/205 combo. I found zaino just doesnt cut well. Can also try menzerna sip.

Menzerna is looks sick on a dark colored car. So much depth, it makes it seem like youre drowning just by looking at it.

N0OS3 · 11-25-2012, 04:55 PM

Gee wilakers, batman! iPhone pics!

Fully_Bolted · 11-27-2012, 11:58 PM

Try the M105 on a surbuf pad, should be plenty to remove swirls.

DetailAddict · 11-28-2012, 12:33 AM

surbuf with menz sip or higher, or m105 would be a good start

DetailersDomain · 11-28-2012, 07:44 PM

what machine were you using a rotary or an orbital?

DetailersDomain · 11-28-2012, 07:44 PM

take a look at this on a jet black - Product Showcase: Menzerna Fast Gloss 400

N0OS3 · 11-28-2012, 07:44 PM

porter cable 74something... orbital.

N0OS3 · 11-28-2012, 07:46 PM

thanks, i will look into it

Dr. G · 11-29-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by N0OS3

porter cable 74something... orbital.

Purple pad isn't as effective on this machine so it won't do you much good.

Jet black is pretty soft so m105 or d300 should cut it fairly easily on either an orange or MF pad... Surbuf+m105 should make quick work out of it as well, but unless your paints real bad I don't see why you would need a surbuf on jet black.

N0OS3 · 11-29-2012, 07:40 PM

what is surbuf?

Dr. G · 11-29-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by N0OS3

what is surbuf?

It's a pad, good to use when you need something more aggressive than the usual foam lineup.

pander5 · 12-25-2012, 11:46 AM

I have completely abandoned all use of my yellow LC pads due to what they leave behind and almost regardless of the product used. I can get much better results with better combos of products with orange, white and yes, even purple foamed wool.

I had a JB E92 about a year ago that looked phenominal with M105 on a white LC pad. Was swirled up quite a bit. Followed that with M205 on a black pad and then went one step further with Menz PO85 on a blue pad. All with my rotary and finished down incredibally well. After my test spot i determined my subject to have the infamous supersoft clear and didn't need to get too aggressive to level the imperfections.

Otruba_843 · 12-25-2012, 11:59 AM

Jetblack is pretty soft paint. Should not be that hard unless its your first time. After your second paint correction, you start to work out the kinks and you get better.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 12-25-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by supahdave

Try using meguiars m105/205 combo. I found zaino just doesnt cut well. Can also try menzerna sip.

I agree here.

11-25-2012, 12:33 AM	#1
N0OS3 Colonel Drives: E90 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oak Harbor, WA Posts: 2,216 iTrader: (5)	Holy cow swirls are hard to remove from a JB Bimmer... I went over the hole car in 3000 grit wet sand, followed up with yellow "Lake County" cutting pad and Zaino Z-PC, then orange "Lake Country" polishing pad with Z-5 polish, then just got finished buffing in the Zaino Z-CS (sealant) and i'm still seeing those dastardly (yeah, i went there.) swirls... The bright side is, the car looks blacker than before... like... a DEEEEEP endless black... looks really nice.. if only the swirls weren't there, it'd look like a showroom floor finish. Thinking about getting the purple cutting pad next... it's the coarsest one they have, but i can't image it would be any more effective than the 3000 grit i used... Any tips from you detail guys? __________________ WTB: 3 Stage Intake Manifold and components - PM me your asking price. Last edited by N0OS3; 11-25-2012 at 12:44 AM.
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11-25-2012, 04:55 PM	#5
N0OS3 Colonel Drives: E90 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oak Harbor, WA Posts: 2,216 iTrader: (5)	Gee wilakers, batman! iPhone pics! __________________ WTB: 3 Stage Intake Manifold and components - PM me your asking price.

11-28-2012, 07:44 PM	#8
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11-28-2012, 07:44 PM	#9
DetailersDomain BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: FJ Cruiser Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,844 iTrader: (22)	take a look at this on a jet black - Product Showcase: Menzerna Fast Gloss 400 __________________ Phil Detailer's Domain Use BMW for 10% off at checkout. Tips/How To's/Videos, Deals, and More Click here to subscribe to the current promotions offered out to all members here. Like Us on Facebook

11-28-2012, 07:44 PM	#10
N0OS3 Colonel Drives: E90 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oak Harbor, WA Posts: 2,216 iTrader: (5)	porter cable 74something... orbital. __________________ WTB: 3 Stage Intake Manifold and components - PM me your asking price.

11-25-2012, 01:16 AM	#2
supahdave Lieutenant Drives: 09 AW 335i Sedan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 563 iTrader: (4)	Try using meguiars m105/205 combo. I found zaino just doesnt cut well. Can also try menzerna sip.

11-25-2012, 04:38 AM	#3
joro2077 ..... Drives: 335i E93 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Atlantic City Posts: 95 iTrader: (2)	dont get the purple pad I wasn't happy at all..I've got better results with yellow/orange and 105/205 combo

11-27-2012, 11:58 PM	#6
Fully_Bolted Banned Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: USA Posts: 445 iTrader: (0)	Try the M105 on a surbuf pad, should be plenty to remove swirls.

11-28-2012, 12:33 AM	#7
DetailAddict BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: 2008 BMW 328i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 953 iTrader: (10)	surbuf with menz sip or higher, or m105 would be a good start

11-28-2012, 07:46 PM	#11
N0OS3 Colonel Drives: E90 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oak Harbor, WA Posts: 2,216 iTrader: (5)	thanks, i will look into it __________________ WTB: 3 Stage Intake Manifold and components - PM me your asking price.

11-29-2012, 07:40 PM	#13
N0OS3 Colonel Drives: E90 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oak Harbor, WA Posts: 2,216 iTrader: (5)	what is surbuf? __________________ WTB: 3 Stage Intake Manifold and components - PM me your asking price.

12-25-2012, 11:46 AM	#15
pander5 Special Forces - Discretion is superior Drives: 335i Coupe Sapphire Black Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,009 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i Coupe [0.00]	I have completely abandoned all use of my yellow LC pads due to what they leave behind and almost regardless of the product used. I can get much better results with better combos of products with orange, white and yes, even purple foamed wool. I had a JB E92 about a year ago that looked phenominal with M105 on a white LC pad. Was swirled up quite a bit. Followed that with M205 on a black pad and then went one step further with Menz PO85 on a blue pad. All with my rotary and finished down incredibally well. After my test spot i determined my subject to have the infamous supersoft clear and didn't need to get too aggressive to level the imperfections. __________________ M3 + trailer hitch = oxymoron

12-25-2012, 11:59 AM	#16
Otruba_843 Captain Drives: 2009 E90 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 866 iTrader: (0)	Jetblack is pretty soft paint. Should not be that hard unless its your first time. After your second paint correction, you start to work out the kinks and you get better. __________________ 2009 E90 328i Monaco Blue premium/idrive/convience/logic-7/cold weather/ xenons/ saddle brown interior

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