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      01-19-2013, 03:33 PM   #133
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This whole FWD thing they're doing is so dumb..BMW is losing it.

"Apart from its stylistic effect, the Hofmeister kink is said by BMW to suggest that all BMW models have rear-wheel drive (or all-wheel drive biased to the rear)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmeister_kink
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      02-06-2013, 12:41 AM   #134
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      05-09-2013, 02:02 PM   #135
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The only FWD roadster I want......

The only FWD roadster I want is one that the F stands for Four.
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      05-09-2014, 10:07 AM   #136
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The only FWD roadster I want is one that the F stands for Four.
well C&D seems to think a Z2M will come out and have AWD, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Z2 offered with xdrive options later on too.

Z2M at 2500 lbs, 320HP, AWD, would be fun as hell to drive. If only they would come out with a coupe version!
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      05-10-2014, 11:59 AM   #137
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How many FWD Z2 will sell? Not many, just like MINI Coup/Roadster. I saw only one on the road since it was released. I see more MINI Clubmans/CrossCountries.
It will sell very well I'm sure. Most people don't give a crap about FWD vs RWD. they just want a nice car....you're delusional if you think lack of RWD will affect sales man!!!!!

the Mini Coupe didn't sell because it looked like a broken dildo.
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      05-10-2014, 12:46 PM   #138
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It will sell very well I'm sure. Most people don't give a crap about FWD vs RWD. they just want a nice car....you're delusional if you think lack of RWD will affect sales man!!!!!

the Mini Coupe didn't sell because it looked like a broken dildo.
1. Anything "bad and cheap" with a BMW badge will sell (i.e. BMW 2er Active Tourer).

2. Anything "good and expensive" with a BMW badge will not sell (i.e. BMW Z4 M Coupé).

3. What you say, "the lack of RWD will not affect sales", is correct. See point 1. The same goes for the Toyota GT86, the lack of turbocharger does not affect sales. Only the guys on the internet a crying for it, were it turbocharged, they anyway wouldn't buy it.

4. And that is were we come back to point 4. As it will not sell, costs will be high and the product will not be profitable. That is why the Z1/Z2/Z3/"what-ever-they-call-it" will still be RWD, being developed on the co-developed BMW-Toyota sports car platform.

From what I understand, you will anyway not like this car: RWD, 1200 kg, 2.0l I4, 300 PS.

Me I will. The "Z2" reminds me Alfa Romeo, many years of promises, but only wind. Hopefully this time it will be reality.

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It will sell very well I'm sure. Most people don't give a crap about FWD vs RWD. they just want a nice car....you're delusional if you think lack of RWD will affect sales man!!!!!

the Mini Coupe didn't sell because it looked like a broken dildo.
1. Anything "bad and cheap" with a BMW badge will sell (i.e. BMW 2er Active Tourer).

2. Anything "good and expensive" with a BMW badge will not sell (i.e. BMW Z4 M Coup).

3. What you say, "the lack of RWD will not affect sales", is correct. See point 1. The same goes for the Toyota GT86, the lack of turbocharger does not affect sales. Only the guys on the internet a crying for it, were it turbocharged, they anyway wouldn't buy it.

4. And that is were we come back to point 4. As it will not sell, costs will be high and the product will not be profitable. That is why the Z1/Z2/Z3/"what-ever-they-call-it" will still be RWD, being developed on the co-developed BMW-Toyota sports car platform.

From what I understand, you will anyway not like this car: RWD, 1200 kg, 2.0l I4, 300 PS.

Me I will. The "Z2" reminds me Alfa Romeo, many years of promises, but only wind. Hopefully this time it will be reality.

I like RWD and 1200kg. don't care for the measly 4 banger though.....

I doubt it will be RWD. It's more expensive for BMW to make a RWD 'cheap' roadster and frankly the mainstream consumer market just doesn't give a crap about RWD anymore.

the BRZ/FRS is great but has been a sales disappointment according to Toyota themselves...the only RWD cheap sports car that has been successful in recent times has been the Miata. the end.

Forget all these pseudo-Alfas anyway. Alfa needs to come back with an affordable RWD Spider for the modern times and in the US market! not that 4C but something more basic and cheaper. Here's hoping that Mazda collaboration leads to something good.
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      05-10-2014, 04:04 PM   #140
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IMHO a sports car is either RWD or AWD. FWD no bueno!
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1. Anything "bad and cheap" with a BMW badge will sell (i.e. BMW 2er Active Tourer).

Active Tourer is not a cheap vehicle . But we have yet to show the second part of the puzzle of the Active Tourer which will happen very soon. Our first allocations of Active Tourer are almost sold.

2. Anything "good and expensive" with a BMW badge will not sell (i.e. BMW Z4 M Coupé).

There has to be demand. There is none for a Z4 M.

3. What you say, "the lack of RWD will not affect sales", is correct. See point 1. The same goes for the Toyota GT86, the lack of turbocharger does not affect sales. Only the guys on the internet a crying for it, were it turbocharged, they anyway wouldn't buy it.

If the car is stylish and competent then it will sell no matter if it is FWD or RWD.
Customers looking for some excitement in that segment will certainly find the Z1 attractive.

4. And that is were we come back to point 4. As it will not sell, costs will be high and the product will not be profitable. That is why the Z1/Z2/Z3/"what-ever-they-call-it" will still be RWD, being developed on the co-developed BMW-Toyota sports car platform.

The Z1 is based on the UKL architecture along with the Z2 Coupe.
The Z3 and Z4 Coupe will be based on the joint Toyota-BMW architecture and will be RWD.
From what I understand, you will anyway not like this car: RWD, 1200 kg, 2.0l I4, 300 PS.

Me I will. The "Z2" reminds me Alfa Romeo, many years of promises, but only wind. Hopefully this time it will be reality.

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I like RWD and 1200kg. don't care for the measly 4 banger though.....

I doubt it will be RWD. It's more expensive for BMW to make a RWD 'cheap' roadster and frankly the mainstream consumer market just doesn't give a crap about RWD anymore.

the BRZ/FRS is great but has been a sales disappointment according to Toyota themselves...the only RWD cheap sports car that has been successful in recent times has been the Miata. the end.

Forget all these pseudo-Alfas anyway. Alfa needs to come back with an affordable RWD Spider for the modern times and in the US market! not that 4C but something more basic and cheaper. Here's hoping that Mazda collaboration leads to something good.
Yeah, it is coming end of 2015 to EU and US, with a 1.4l I4 Multi-Air, but it will have Abarth badge. The Mazda MX-5 will have about the same power but from a NA larger displacement I4.
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You mean massive body roll, a steering system that is not connected to the front wheels, and the engine note played through the speaker system?!?!?!?! Can't wait!!




Seriously though, the roadster should be the purest car in a manufacturers lineup, a tribute to the past, a car that romanticizes the driving experience, it should be something that makes your arm hair raise. The last car that BMW produced that really did it for me was the Z4M. It was the perfect example of what a modern roadster should be like. While I have no doubt that the Z2 will be a bite the back of your hand beautiful car just like the Z4, it will be a disappointment because it will be a boulevard cruiser just like the Z4.

Now Scott you say that a small RWD roadster is coming, but until I see a prototype I have to assume that what you are saying is false. I hope you understand that it is not personal.
it only took around 5 years.. but a new roadster is alleged to be on the way..
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