Methanol Injection Research - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

Lankster · 01-31-2013, 10:21 PM

So my quest for gaining knowledge on methanol is now in its month long anniversary!

A couple questions that have yielded unsubstantial results from the search engine:

Why trunk mount > Windshield Wiper mount?

I have seen many different opinion on sprayers... Any type that is king of the hill?

Is the current BMS CP REALLY a bad located meth bung?

Thanx all!

jyeah · 01-31-2013, 10:34 PM

The problem with the windshield wiper mount is that if it leaks, it's leaking in your engine bay and could be a safety hazard (ie flames).

The problem with the trunk mount is that if it leaks, it can leak into your car cabin and be hazardous for your health as methanol is a chemical you don't want to inhale.

Of course, it can not leak either.

There's tradeoffs either way, but my personal opinion is to not mess with methanol at all unless you're really pushing for every hp your engine can make.

redlineryder · 01-31-2013, 10:36 PM

Increased fire hazard running windshield washer tank for meth, its on the hot side of the engine and a leak can cause fire.

Ænema · 01-31-2013, 10:38 PM

The WW washer tank is prone to leaking(VERY prone) and when it does leak it will leak onto the turbos and you have a fire in the engine bay.

If you sprayers you mean nozzles then that is a subjective answer. You want to run the SMALLEST nozzle(s) you can run and still move enough meth. The smaller the nozzle the better it atomizes and the better the distribution between cylinders.

Wes335XI · 02-01-2013, 12:11 AM

Ran 100% meth in my Subaru before I switched to a 50/50 meth/water mix. Never had an issue with it, ran it in the summer and winter in Alaska for about 3 years. The meth in the BMW has not been a problem, but I have seen the WW resevoir leak, I'm assuming because of air built up. So I may go to a separate tank and system prior to summer.

I run the 50/50 winsdhield washer fluid. I really do not see that catching fire. I have spilled the 50/50 meth mix that I had in my Subaru before as well when refilling the ww tank and never had any issues.

I only get 90 octane in Alaska, so if I want to push my car, increase the boost, without blowing it up and not spend 20$ for a 20oz can of Torco at every fill up, then Methanol Injection is our only option. You can see the results when tuning the car and it feels so much better. It is fairly inexpensive too. I would never push my car to its limit, especially at higher boost levels without Meth.

Lankster · 02-01-2013, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes335XI

Ran 100% meth in my Subaru before I switched to a 50/50 meth/water mix. Never had an issue with it, ran it in the summer and winter in Alaska for about 3 years. The meth in the BMW has not been a problem, but I have seen the WW resevoir leak, I'm assuming because of air built up. So I may go to a separate tank and system prior to summer.

I run the 50/50 winsdhield washer fluid. I really do not see that catching fire. I have spilled the 50/50 meth mix that I had in my Subaru before as well when refilling the ww tank and never had any issues.

I only get 90 octane in Alaska, so if I want to push my car, increase the boost, without blowing it up and not spend 20$ for a 20oz can of Torco at every fill up, then Methanol Injection is our only option. You can see the results when tuning the car and it feels so much better. It is fairly inexpensive too. I would never push my car to its limit, especially at higher boost levels without Meth.

How do you like your charge pipe from BMS? Im looking at getting DP, FMIC, meth all in 1 purchase, and love what BMS has done, either that or im going ER CP

robc1976 · 02-01-2013, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lankster

So my quest for gaining knowledge on methanol is now in its month long anniversary!

A couple questions that have yielded unsubstantial results from the search engine:

Why trunk mount > Windshield Wiper mount?

I have seen many different opinion on sprayers... Any type that is king of the hill?

Is the current BMS CP REALLY a bad located meth bung?

Thanx all!

VERY happy with my kit:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796514

Wes335XI · 02-01-2013, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lankster

How do you like your charge pipe from BMS? Im looking at getting DP, FMIC, meth all in 1 purchase, and love what BMS has done, either that or im going ER CP

It's great. Good design, good quality, and I like that the meth port is there, making it plug n play. If you do go with BMS, get the trunk location as I'm doing that before I go Vargas Stage 2. The WW location seems like a great idea, but I rather go with a tank strictly dedicated for meth injection.

If I push the car to 500+whp, I may do something like Rob, as it's a beautiful kit, just a little too much that I want to get into for now.

klipseracer · 02-01-2013, 02:09 PM

I've been preaching about fabbing a tank for the driver side of the engine. I've made a couple posts about it quite a while back. I'll make one for you guys to see, it will be made to be part of the fender, just wait.

robc1976 · 02-01-2013, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klipseracer

I've been preaching about fabbing a tank for the driver side of the engine. I've made a couple posts about it quite a while back. I'll make one for you guys to see, it will be made to be part of the fender, just wait.

Now that would be bad ass!! Less distance for pump to push...I am in! Make sure it has 4-AN & possibly a recessed baffle.

Lankster · 02-01-2013, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes335XI

It's great. Good design, good quality, and I like that the meth port is there, making it plug n play. If you do go with BMS, get the trunk location as I'm doing that before I go Vargas Stage 2. The WW location seems like a great idea, but I rather go with a tank strictly dedicated for meth injection.

If I push the car to 500+whp, I may do something like Rob, as it's a beautiful kit, just a little too much that I want to get into for now.

Man I am behind the times! Vargas Stg 2 turbos fit XI??

Goofyguy · 02-01-2013, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klipseracer

I've been preaching about fabbing a tank for the driver side of the engine. I've made a couple posts about it quite a while back. I'll make one for you guys to see, it will be made to be part of the fender, just wait.

Done yet?

Wes335XI · 02-01-2013, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lankster

Man I am behind the times! Vargas Stg 2 turbos fit XI??

I never knew there was an issue with RB Turbos or Vargas Stg 2 fitting the XI, they are basically a hybrid of the stock turbo with upgraded parts that don't suck. There are several XI guys waiting for the Vargas Stg 2 Turbos.

There may be fitment issues with Stage 3, but not my place to comment as I have not done any research on the stage 3. Stage 2 is plenty for me.

Lankster · 02-01-2013, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes335XI

I never knew there was an issue with RB Turbos or Vargas Stg 2 fitting the XI, they are basically a hybrid of the stock turbo with upgraded parts that don't suck. There are several XI guys waiting for the Vargas Stg 2 Turbos.

There may be fitment issues with Stage 3, but not my place to comment as I have not done any research on the stage 3. Stage 2 is plenty for me.

I read somewhere that RBs wont fit the XI... I must be mistaken

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-01-2013, 06:12 PM

WW windshield washer options have historically caused misfires. I've heard of my personally and spoke with others it has happened to. Avoid them like the plague.

Trunks mounts are a SAFER route.

Dave W. · 02-01-2013, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

WW windshield washer options have historically caused misfires. I've heard of my personally and spoke with others it has happened to. Avoid them like the plague.

Trunks mounts are a SAFER route.

Did you mean to say 'misfires' or an actual "FIRE!!!!"

Wes335XI · 02-02-2013, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lankster

How do you like your charge pipe from BMS? Im looking at getting DP, FMIC, meth all in 1 purchase, and love what BMS has done, either that or im going ER CP

Hey,

Just wanted to correct myself on your question and I will update my sig. I only have the BMS Meth Elbow, not the chargpipe. After doing my research I will be going with the ER CP with two meth bungs and stock DV's. I will most likely order from TopGearSolutions.

So that is what I recommend. It appears I will have to sell the BMS Meth Elbow when all said and done.

R.G. · 02-02-2013, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lankster

Why trunk mount > Windshield Wiper mount?

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...highlight=fire

Good discussion

Lankster · 02-03-2013, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.G.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...highlight=fire

Good discussion

So moral of the story is dont skimp on meth lines...

robc1976 · 02-03-2013, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lankster

So moral of the story is dont skimp on meth lines...

SS 4-AN FTW

BMWM.D. · 02-03-2013, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lankster

So moral of the story is dont skimp on meth lines...

Yeah, I don't understand why so many use that clear plastic/nylon hose. I run 100% VP M1 methanol in the washer tank of my C6, but I have full stainless lines. Plus, the tank isn't right near the exhaust like on the E9x cars.

If I ever decide to run meth on my 335i, I don't think I'll be using the washer tank. I'm not a big fan of a trunk-mounted tank, either. I wish there was a better solution for these cars.

Lankster · 02-03-2013, 02:50 PM

Yeah, I will only use stainless when I go meth, but I agree with the trunk mount, but where else would we put it? The idea on the previous post about a driver side mount tank in the engine bay is a cool idea tho

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redlineryder knowledge > opinion Drives: '08 e90 335i Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: London/Toronto Posts: 49 iTrader: (0)	Increased fire hazard running windshield washer tank for meth, its on the hot side of the engine and a leak can cause fire. __________________ FBO / HFS-4 / Cobb PTF tune

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Ænema Captain Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Arizona Bay Posts: 862 iTrader: (0)	The WW washer tank is prone to leaking(VERY prone) and when it does leak it will leak onto the turbos and you have a fire in the engine bay. If you sprayers you mean nozzles then that is a subjective answer. You want to run the SMALLEST nozzle(s) you can run and still move enough meth. The smaller the nozzle the better it atomizes and the better the distribution between cylinders. __________________ "I'm not surprised you get along well with all the other neighbours. If you put fifty children with Down's syndrome in a room there is going to be a lot of hugging." David Thorne

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Wes335XI Private First Class Drives: 2008 BMW 335XI Space Grey Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 186 iTrader: (0)	Ran 100% meth in my Subaru before I switched to a 50/50 meth/water mix. Never had an issue with it, ran it in the summer and winter in Alaska for about 3 years. The meth in the BMW has not been a problem, but I have seen the WW resevoir leak, I'm assuming because of air built up. So I may go to a separate tank and system prior to summer. I run the 50/50 winsdhield washer fluid. I really do not see that catching fire. I have spilled the 50/50 meth mix that I had in my Subaru before as well when refilling the ww tank and never had any issues. I only get 90 octane in Alaska, so if I want to push my car, increase the boost, without blowing it up and not spend 20$ for a 20oz can of Torco at every fill up, then Methanol Injection is our only option. You can see the results when tuning the car and it feels so much better. It is fairly inexpensive too. I would never push my car to its limit, especially at higher boost levels without Meth. __________________ 08 E92 335XI AT\| TCKR SA Coilovers (Spring)\|AR DPs\|AE Dual Exhaust\|aFe DC Intake\|ETS 5 FMIC\|JB4 G5\|BMS Meth Kit\|ER CP Tial Q BOV\|BMS OCC\|Staggered VMR V718\|Burning Blue Muteki lugs\|DBA4000 Slotted Front/Rear\|AXXIS ULT Front/Rear\|Stoptech Steel lines Front/Rear\|ATESuperBlue\|Best ET 12.5@111mph

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jyeah Private First Class Drives: 2010 BMW 335i Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 120 iTrader: (1)	The problem with the windshield wiper mount is that if it leaks, it's leaking in your engine bay and could be a safety hazard (ie flames). The problem with the trunk mount is that if it leaks, it can leak into your car cabin and be hazardous for your health as methanol is a chemical you don't want to inhale. Of course, it can not leak either. There's tradeoffs either way, but my personal opinion is to not mess with methanol at all unless you're really pushing for every hp your engine can make.

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Jeff@TopGearSolutions BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: C6 Z06, GSXR-750, 09 335i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: TopGearSolutions.com Posts: 12,416 iTrader: (25)	WW windshield washer options have historically caused misfires. I've heard of my personally and spoke with others it has happened to. Avoid them like the plague. Trunks mounts are a SAFER route. __________________ Latest Specials!! Email Me! Jeff@TopGearSolutions.Com Evolution Racewerks Charge Pipes and FMIC Sale ETS FMIC INTERCOOLER SALE! Cobb AP for BMW N54 & N55, Lowest Price! Like Us On Facebook For Discounts!

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Lankster Sigma Alpha Epsilon Drives: 2007 335xi Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Encinitas Posts: 340 iTrader: (0)	Yeah, I will only use stainless when I go meth, but I agree with the trunk mount, but where else would we put it? The idea on the previous post about a driver side mount tank in the engine bay is a cool idea tho __________________ Forum Bible http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting JB4, BMS DCI, Dimisa 4" tips, VMR 710 Matt Black, Plasti-Dip Mod

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