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      01-25-2013, 10:36 AM   #1
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Pumping Up the Liberalism

So now the president is a committed man of the left. No longer is he faking moderation, or even trying to bring the nation "together." Nope. As he made clear in his Inauguration speech, Barack Obama is dedicating himself to achieving "social justice," no matter what the cost.

And the cost is high. The annual federal deficit is more than one trillion dollars, the national debt approaching seventeen trillion. Just last week, the non-partisan Government Accounting Office warned once again that federal spending is "unsustainable." That means if government spending is not curtailed, and quickly, the U.S. dollar could collapse.

But you would not know that by listening to the President's address. He was decidedly upbeat when telling the nation that more needs to be done (code for spending) to insure "equality."

That's the big leftwing word these days - "equality."

But can we be real here for a moment? Does anyone, even those of you living in San Francisco, believe that an American who earns a PHD in economics is going to be equal to the high school dropout in the marketplace? Anyone? Bueller?

So, let's drop the equality business - at least in the capitalist arena. The strong and smart prosper, the weak and lazy fail.

But not in Obama world. Not there. The president sees his mandate as "providing" for those who can't cut it. He is the biggest spending president in the nation's history by far.

Mr. Obama is proud of his belief that government knows best. When he told the world that individuals were not totally responsible for their personal success, that government has a major role in it, many Americans were taken aback. But Barack Obama sincerely believes that.

Let me prove him wrong with a vivid comparison.

In 1979, a man named Rupert Murdoch started a company that today employs 48,000 workers worldwide. The employees of the News Corporation pay taxes and support families. The company gives its employees an opportunity to succeed on their own without any financial assistance from the government. In turn, the employees provide assets to the government. They don't take from it.

Some of the employee tax dollars go to pay the salaries and benefits for government workers. Since he was elected, President Obama has increased the federal payroll by more than 130,000. Most of those folks work hard but, again, they are paid by private sector workers.

So which scenario is better for America? The private sector situation or the expanding government workforce?

If you don't know the answer to that question, you don't want to know.

President Obama is a utopian at heart. He wants to improve the lives of the downtrodden, which is a good thing. But, he doesn't understand that damaging the free marketplace in pursuit of "social justice" will eventually harm those whom he wants to
help. The nation's crushing debt is a tsunami brewing off shore.

Let's hope President Obama wises up before we all get swept away.

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The regime in place is a 4 year shirt sided one. They won't change and it will get worse. Spending will continue to increase and more money will be taken out of the hard working Americans and given to regulatory workers and entitlement programs that don't deserve it or don't provide a real service.
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I agree but honestly where do we go? The current Republican leadership would take us in the same direction, just in a longer period of time. They're all pissing me off right now
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Bulldog, you're obviously passionate about the topic, so--if you don't mind--I'd like to bounce a couple of questions/comments off of you...

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...And the cost is high. The annual federal deficit is more than one trillion dollars, the national debt approaching seventeen trillion. Just last week, the non-partisan Government Accounting Office warned once again that federal spending is "unsustainable." That means if government spending is not curtailed, and quickly, the U.S. dollar could collapse.
Mind telling me more about why you feel this is the case? I assuming that you mean in terms of depreciation. How quickly do you honestly feel that this could/would occur on current trajectory?

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But not in Obama world. Not there. The president sees his mandate as "providing" for those who can't cut it. He is the biggest spending president in the nation's history by far.
Based on this statement, are we to assume that you are more of the mindset that austerity is the way out of a major economic recession? I'd like to hear your thoughts on your desired path.

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Let me prove him wrong with a vivid comparison.

In 1979, a man named Rupert Murdoch started a company that today employs 48,000 workers worldwide. The employees of the News Corporation pay taxes and support families. The company gives its employees an opportunity to succeed on their own without any financial assistance from the government. In turn, the employees provide assets to the government. They don't take from it.
...perhaps not the best example given reason scandal, but I believe that I understand what you are going for and there are certainly many other respectable business-men and women with equally impressive accomplishments (sans scandal)...

I think this may depend on how you look at "taking" from the government. I personally take from many branches every day. My commute includes city, county, and state roads in areas monitored by city, county, state, and federal police forces and defended by our nations military. Several of the children in my family attend public schools, etc. Anti-trust laws and the government employees in charge of ensuring compliance there-with have a direct effect on fairness of play in my industry. Say what you will about Ben Bernanke, but I have taken advantage of the reduced cost of lending over the past few years, and couldn't be happier with the improved returns which this helps to bring (and I then pay taxes on). The list can go on and on if I really start to think about it.

Are we to assume that these employees and NewsCorp did not also gain certain benefits from the government (Freedom of press, copyright enforcement, security and maintenance of roads and airways for deliveries, etc.)? I would mention that the Internet roots back to a US National Science Foundation funded program, but its creation did not bode well for the margins of most companies in Mr. Murdoch's field.

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President Obama is a utopian at heart. He wants to improve the lives of the downtrodden, which is a good thing. But, he doesn't understand that damaging the free marketplace in pursuit of "social justice" will eventually harm those whom he wants to
help. The nation's crushing debt is a tsunami brewing off shore.

Let's hope President Obama wises up before we all get swept away.
I like how you stated this as it clearly represents your perspective as that which it is.

I think unfortunately many people (yourself excluded) in today's American media and society are so busy citing non-facts as statistics used to somehow quantify their opinions that they forget that the statements are not as objective as they would like their audience to believe.

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I agree but honestly where do we go? The current Republican leadership would take us in the same direction, just in a longer period of time. They're all pissing me off right now
I think this may be the sad truth of it. The specifics vary, but the general direction is about the same. Neither party currently seems to be willing to have those uncomfortable conversations with each other or the American public. The truth is that both parties are to blame for where we are and how we got here, and both will be to blame if we do not bring the issues at hand to an actual resolution. The hard line approaches, childish name-calling, and absurd finger-pointing only makes what needs to happen that much harder to accomplish.

If you haven't checked out Edelmans Trust Barometer for this year, do so when you have a moment. The short story is that the Amerian people trust their friends and generally even trust organizations. With that said, they don't trust the leaders of those organizations or the folks driving the national boat (red, blue, or yellow).
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Bulldog, a quick google search pulled this up...is this you?
https://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/...fe-threatened/

If so, please disregard my response as I have no interest in your opinions. If not, you may want to consider changing your name on this forum so as to not be accidentally mistaken for the author of the linked blog.
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Bulldog, a quick google search pulled this up...is this you?
https://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/...fe-threatened/

If so, please disregard my response as I have no interest in your opinions. If not, you may want to consider changing your name on this forum so as to not be accidentally mistaken for the author of the linked blog.
Not me. I'm a CFP (Certified Financial Planner).
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Not me. I'm a CFP (Certified Financial Planner).
Good. I was hoping so. Oddly enough, when you type in "bulldog cfp" on google, that's what comes up.

My original post was assuming that you were a CFP In The financial planner sense. This was actually my main reason for hoping that you would delve further into your statement with regards to dollar collapse and planned course of action with regards to spending. I find it interesting given the high demand for US Treasuries and low inflation of recent years (although we are likely to see somewhat of a correction in both in the near future) Combined with histories lessons Of the results of austerity in developed markets during a recession. there absolutely needs to be a resolution to the issue, but your "quickly" comment leads me to believe that you are short the dollar assuming continued lack of progress on the hill. Your thoughts?
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Bulldog, you're obviously passionate about the topic, so--if you don't mind--I'd like to bounce a couple of questions/comments off of you...
Mind telling me more about why you feel this is the case? I assuming that you mean in terms of depreciation. How quickly do you honestly feel that this could/would occur on current trajectory?
I feel this way because it is staring everyone squarely in the face. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

I have no clue how quickly or not this could occur. But you only have to analyze the financials to get a firm understanding of the dire financial straits our nation is in. Would a private company run itself this way and be able to stay in business? How about an individual? I am not a doom and gloom kind-of-a-guy. I believe in our country and its resiliency and ability to overcome adversity and end up on top again. But right now in America, Liberalism/socialism is rearing its ugly, filthy, nasty and pathetic head. I believe that the middle class is going to have to begin to really feel the ultimate and direct effect, financially, of the current administration’s policy and agenda before they get out there and make a difference at the ballots.

In the meantime, what is it that being $16.5 TRILLION in debt, while borrowing $1.1 TRILLION dollars more to cover the cost of running our Government each year, doesn’t alarm you?

Add to this that Obama has increased the size of our Government to the largest it has ever been. He has also borrowed more than all other presidents combined. Where do you think our tax dollars go? What do you think will happen as Obama continues to borrow and interest rates on our debt obligations rise? Why doesn’t Obama simply tell the folks how he is going to pay off our debt obligation? What effect do you believe this will have on our children and children’s children? Ever thought about that? Ever wonder why Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac went bankrupt in 2008? What is the effect of high unemployment and the associated continued extensions of government unemployment pay on government borrowing? What about food stamps. Obama has officially been crowned the food stamp president. Ever ask yourself why? Please offer an example of anytime in the history of the world that socialism succeeded? (hint…you can’t). Please tell us any form of government/society where more people benefitted over capitalism? (hint…you can’t).

Take a look around you. Why is it that California, Michigan, New York, etc. are bankrupt? Why is it that cities and states across America, who are in the worst state financially, are liberal progressive dominant and unionized? Why is it that Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain are bankrupt? What similarities can you gleen from unions and European Socialism?

So what might you do to better this situation and turn things around? Do you really think increasing taxes on those who make over 400k a year will increase enough tax revenue to the government to pay off our debt? Really? One year’s worth of the new tax hike revenue runs our government for about a week. However, this year’s tax revenue has already been blown on Hurricane Sandy relief and all the B.S. pork that the liberals deviously snuck into to the package at the last minute.

Just like the bankrupt States, Europe and Unions - at some point you run out of the private sector to tax and entities who will continue to lend you money. Ever wonder why Germany is pissed? Who do you think will eventually bail out California, New York, Michigan, etc. Hmmm.

Personally, I’ve worked hard and sacrificed much in taking the personal responsibility to become financially independent/secure. I’ve struggled and failed along the way. But, I wouldn’t go back and change it for the world. Freedom in America is the ability to live free from the tyranny of government rule and choose the way we, as individuals, desire to live.

I don’t know about you, but I wasn’t born into this world to be taken care of by the government. Were you?

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Based on this statement, are we to assume that you are more of the mindset that austerity is the way out of a major economic recession? I'd like to hear your thoughts on your desired path.
Significantly reduce the size of our government. It is bloated, corrupt, inefficient, broke and wasteful. Name one government program that is not bankrupt that is doing a better job than the private sector couldn’t do otherwise. C’mon really. I mean, there is no incentive for any government entity or government employed individual to do well. They spend everyone else’s money and don’t have to be held accountable. The money just keeps rolling in from the private sector tax revenue. When they fall short the government simply increases our taxes. Sound familiar? The Government needs to be lean and mean. No different than any other successful private sector company. Term limits for our elected officials to prevent career politicians who represent their special interest groups and their own personal interest instead of the people. No more pensions that pay them 100% of their employment earnings through their retirement years (wonder why the unions couldn’t fund their pension obligations)? Elimination of their own, tax payer funded, private healthcare. Ever wonder why they aren’t subject to Obamacare? Hmm, I wonder if Obamacare would look different today, or even passed, had our elected officials been required to use Obamacare for their own healthcare too. If they were, do you think Obamacare would have been 2600 pages long, filled with pork, and healthcare more costly now than before it was passed?

The fix is simple really. Why do you think companies outsource their business and/or business manufacturing processes to other countries? Hmm, I wonder why unemployment is so high and continues to remain this way in the United States? Why is it that there is a mass exodus of companies and people, who are the most hard working and successful, out of states like California, Michigan and New York to other states like Texas or to other countries abroad? Ever wonder why the Obama appointed "job czar", Jeffrey Emmelt, sent GE’s airplane technology and manufacturing to China? BTW, what ever happened to all those “shovel ready” jobs Obama was supposed to use the $1trillon stimulus on during his first term to create jobs and restore the nation’s infrastructure with? Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the Job Czar supposed to create jobs and do it in America?

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...perhaps not the best example given reason scandal, but I believe that I understand what you are going for and there are certainly many other respectable business-men and women with equally impressive accomplishments (sans scandal) .
Who cares about the scandal? Pick any other, private sector, successful business in America and apply the same logic.
The real scandal is the main stream media in America. What a joke. These news outlets are no longer unbiased reporters of the news. They simply, and in no uncertain terms, push the liberal progressive agenda while sucking up to the Obama administration. It’s simply pathetic. Historically, it was the news that reported and kept the people informed and the government accountable. Not so anymore. The only good thing about this now is that the folks are wising up. This is clearly proven by the mainstream media's lackluster viewership ratings (Which is why they are going bankrupt). We see this now in the newspaper and news magazine industry as well. Ever wonder why the New York Times continues to hemorrhage subscribership? Ever wonder why they are bankrupt? It is the same thing that is going on in the magazine news industry too with Newsweek. Ever ask yourself why Newsweek went bankrupt? Ever wonder why you can only get Newsweek online now?

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I think this may depend on how you look at "taking" from the government. I personally take from many branches every day. My commute includes city, county, and state roads in areas monitored by city, county, state, and federal police forces and defended by our nation’s military. Several of the children in my family attend public schools, etc. Anti-trust laws and the government employees in charge of ensuring compliance there-with have a direct effect on fairness of play in my industry. Say what you will about Ben Bernanke, but I have taken advantage of the reduced cost of lending over the past few years, and couldn't be happier with the improved returns which this helps to bring (and I then pay taxes on). The list can go on and on if I really start to think about it.
Government’s primary function is to protect us and defend our freedom. Limited Government is good. Frankly, it is necessary. However, that anyone in America who is successful was so as a result of the Government is simply unfounded and unsubstantiated. It’s nothing more than a bunch of B.S. liberal talking point poop. No offense to you personally, but anyone who believes this I’ll reasonably consider ignorant and uninformed. BTW, our nation’s infrastructure is in shambles. Why isn’t the gas tax, supposedly used to maintain our infrastructure, working? So does this mean that the government should raise our taxes to fix this situation? Does anyone believe that the private sector could do it better? Again, what happened to the “shovel ready” jobs Obama promised? (what role did Solyndra and all the other bankrupt green companies that the government invested our tax payer $1trillion stimulus money into have on the “shovel ready” jobs or on the economy?)

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Are we to assume that these employees and NewsCorp did not also gain certain benefits from the government (Freedom of press, copyright enforcement, security and maintenance of roads and airways for deliveries, etc.)? I would mention that the Internet roots back to a US National Science Foundation funded program, but its creation did not bode well for the margins of most companies in Mr. Murdoch's field.
Like I said before, limited government is good and necessary. Part of the government’s job, paid for via our tax dollar, is to defend The Constitution of The United States and protect our freedom. But, government has gotten out-of-control with excessive spending, regulation and the nanny state. Arguably today, the government doesn’t help make people and businesses successful. They make it harder to succeed and more costly. Ever heard of The Sarbanes–Oxley Act? Or more recently, how about the Frank-Dodd Act? Who do you really believe benfits from regulation like this?

The government didn’t, nor did Al Gore, invent the internet. But you can be damn sure they want a piece of the action through regulation and taxation.

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I like how you stated this as it clearly represents your perspective as that which it is.
Thank you.

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I think this may be the sad truth of it. The specifics vary, but the general direction is about the same. Neither party currently seems to be willing to have those uncomfortable conversations with each other or the American public. The truth is that both parties are to blame for where we are and how we got here, and both will be to blame if we do not bring the issues at hand to an actual resolution. The hard line approaches, childish name-calling, and absurd finger-pointing only makes what needs to happen that much harder to accomplish.
If you haven't checked out Edelmans Trust Barometer for this year, do so when you have a moment. The short story is that the American people trust their friends and generally even trust organizations. With that said, they don't trust the leaders of those organizations or the folks driving the national boat (red, blue, or yellow).
There are so many ways to achieve success and ultimate happiness in life as an individual without the assistance of an oppressive nanny state. Those who choose subordination over self-reliance do it out of frustration. Their frustration is born from the horrible notion that there is only one way to achieve and that way is, unfortunately, dependence on others. Failure to understand this as well as dissatisfaction at one’s inability to reject the universal standard of human reliance; constitute the cancer that can emasculate every dream, dampen every hope and erode every shred of determination one can muster.

So, if we desire the true freedom granted us by the constitution we must take responsibility for our complacency. We have failed to live up to our constitution. It demands our attention, our deliberation, and our honor. Our Constitution was NOT written for legislators, or presidents, or even justices. It was written for us, we the people, so that we could tell when the government was exceeding its delegated powers. It prescribes limits on the government, and not us, and presumes that we strictly enforce those limits, a duty we have failed at miserably, for decades. I believe it is us, we the people, who have brought shame and ignominy to the legacy of our forebears.

Because we have stood idle for so long, the government of the United States of America, as it now exists, bears little resemblance to the one the Founders established. The constitution demands our attention, our deliberation, and our honor.

What are you going to do about it? Will you continue to embrace the expanding government workforce. Or instead the private sector, smaller goverment and individual freedom?

Liberal = the government can do better for you than you can do for yourself = BIG GOVERNMENT = Democrat

Conservative = you can do better for youself than the government can do for you = limited government = Republican

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I agree but honestly where do we go? The current Republican leadership would take us in the same direction, just in a longer period of time. They're all pissing me off right now
Me too. But, we have the mid-term elections coming up in two years.

Consider the mid-term elections in 2010. The house recaptured the conservative majority. We also secured an increased number of seats in the senate.

We have the power to elect our representatives. If you do not like how your current representatives/congressman have performed then vote them out!
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Conservative = you can do better for youself than the government can do for you = limited government = Republican
I used to believe this too. Then I witnessed what the Republicans actually did when they had control of the government for the first 6 years of GWB. I don't buy their BS any more. They do the same thing as the Dems, they grow government and cost.

The only difference between the sides is who gets the money.

It's very disappointing.
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I used to believe this too. Then I witnessed what the Republicans actually did when they had control of the government for the first 6 years of GWB. I don't buy their BS any more. They do the same thing as the Dems, they grow government and cost.

The only difference between the sides is who gets the money.

It's very disappointing.
I totally agree with you, Diesel. But we cannot give up. This is why we must continue to write our congressman and state representatives with our concerns. But most of all, vote accordingly. Don't give up. Consider the changes in the 2010 mid-term elections to include the Tea Party. This was HUGE!

Personally, I'd like to see the Tea party grow and become an ever greater force to be reckoned with. They definately put the pressure on the Republicans.
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A very interesting article about the media and the current administration that EVERYONE should be concerned about!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-organization/
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I totally agree with you, Diesel. But we cannot give up. This is why we must continue to write our congressman and state representatives with our concerns. But most of all, vote accordingly. Don't give up. Consider the changes in the 2010 mid-term elections to include the Tea Party. This was HUGE!

Personally, I'd like to see the Tea party grow and become an ever greater force to be reckoned with. They definately put the pressure on the Republicans.
Yep. And the more the Tea Party grew, and scare the bejesus out of normal, moderate conservatives with pathetic statements about abortion and the like, the less likely the Republican party will be elected.
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These 11 States Now Have More People On Welfare
Than They Have Employed In The State.

SOURCE: Forbes Magazine via Fox Business Network

Do you like the direction our nation is heading under the current administration? By the way, unemployment is higher now than when Obama took office (4+ years ago). What's worse is that unemployment is even hgher among the black and hispanic population. Do you ever ask yourself why the majority of blacks and hispanics voted for Obama?
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Former Governor Mike Huckabee recently explained how the Obama welfare state works to undermine America's culture of self-reliance. According to Huckabee, the Senate Budget Committee reported that in fiscal year 2011, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. household below the poverty line received $168 a day in government support.

What's the problem with that much support?

According to Huckabee, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day.

To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $25 an hour. And the person who works also has to pay taxes, which drops his pay to $21 an hour.

It's no wonder that welfare is now the biggest part of the budget, more than Social Security or defense. And, as Huckabee so sagely observed, why would anyone want to get off welfare when working pays $9 an hour less?

Getting the picture yet?
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Do you ever ask yourself why the majority of blacks and hispanics voted for Obama?
I know this is a rhetorical question, but I'm going to answer anyway. They voted for Obama because they are good for nothing lazy parasites. They shouldn't even have the right to vote. Voting is meant to be a social duty that you do based on your values and morals, not on who offers to buy you with more attractive bribes. Anyone who relies on government aid should straight up lose the right to vote. That would fix our problems quickly.
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I know this is a rhetorical question, but I'm going to answer anyway. They voted for Obama because they are good for nothing lazy parasites. They shouldn't even have the right to vote. Voting is meant to be a social duty that you do based on your values and morals, not on who offers to buy you with more attractive bribes. Anyone who relies on government aid should straight up lose the right to vote. That would fix our problems quickly.
Does that include farm subsidies?
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I know this is a rhetorical question, but I'm going to answer anyway. They voted for Obama because they are good for nothing lazy parasites. They shouldn't even have the right to vote. Voting is meant to be a social duty that you do based on your values and morals, not on who offers to buy you with more attractive bribes. Anyone who relies on government aid should straight up lose the right to vote. That would fix our problems quickly.
Right on! BTW there are too many folks, regardless of the color of their skin, living off the hind teat of the government.

Now, bug the living piss out of your state representatives and congressman about it. Tell them how you feel and why. Then ask them what they are going to do about it and remind them that the mid-term elections are coming up in the fall of 2014!!!

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp

Use this website to determine your specific state Representatives. You can call and/or use the email function, set up directly through the website, to communicate your concerns. Remember, they represent you. You elected them for this purpose. Make sure and remind them of this in your communication. Be respectful, diplomatac and pointed. Dig?

Make a difference, andrew777! And, make time to tell your family, friends and acquiantances, who feel the same way you do and encourage them to do the same.

The constitution demands our attention, our deliberation, and our honor.

If we, the people, fail to do so you can say hello to European Socialism and the nanny state. What's worse is that it will be we-the-people's fault otherwise for our complacency.

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I know this is a rhetorical question, but I'm going to answer anyway. They voted for Obama because they are good for nothing lazy parasites. They shouldn't even have the right to vote. Voting is meant to be a social duty that you do based on your values and morals, not on who offers to buy you with more attractive bribes. Anyone who relies on government aid should straight up lose the right to vote. That would fix our problems quickly.
Maybe we should only allow white male property owners the right to vote.
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Maybe we should only allow white male property owners the right to vote.
The color of ones skin is irrelevant. The issue is that the stats reflect that unemployment is the highest among Hispanics and Blacks. But, this doesn't mean that among asians, whites, etc., there aren't those that are working the system too.

So, xbook, what is your opinion as to why unemployment is highest among blacks and hispanics? C'mon man, make your point and be specific rather than playing the liberal progressive playbook race card.

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That is the idea. When the Constitution was written white male property owners happened to be the only people who were educated and had means. This meant that they probably had some knowledge or political theory and philosophy and wouldn't sell their votes due to their being of low economic status.

It's absolutely ridiculous to give everyone the right to vote. If you need to have surgery do you go to a surgeon for advice and the operation or do you walk into inner-city Detroit and ask some random hoodlums for advice and to perform the surgery? Why is government treated differently. Political issues should be handled by people that are qualified and understand the duty before them, not by every idiot looking for a free meal.
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That is the idea. When the Constitution was written white male property owners happened to be the only people who were educated and had means. This meant that they probably had some knowledge or political theory and philosophy and wouldn't sell their votes due to their being of low economic status.

It's absolutely ridiculous to give everyone the right to vote. If you need to have surgery do you go to a surgeon for advice and the operation or do you walk into inner-city Detroit and ask some random hoodlums for advice and to perform the surgery? Why is government treated differently. Political issues should be handled by people that are qualified and understand the duty before them, not by every idiot looking for a free meal.
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