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      02-02-2013, 05:35 AM   #1
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Michelin Pilot Super Sport Vs Continental 5P

How do these tyres compare in your experience? The two main factors i am considering are grip levels and wear rates. Sizes will be 225/35/19 and 255/30/19.
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I think you'll be lucky to find anyone who's tried both - they're both very new tyres.

FWIW the reviews I've read suggest they'll be very similar.
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I don't think you'd go wrong with either!

I'd buy the Conti's though...
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I suspect the Michelins will last longer than the Contis, which traditionally have been made of softer than average compounds.
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Parapaul: Ok so they should be pretty similar in performance. Is that both dry and wet grip? I have read reviews but can never decide how accurate they are

PhilM: Any reason why you'd go for the contis? Mine was because of the great feedback they have had. But its the same with the PSS

Phil325i: Considering that, i'm slightly leaning towards the PSS now.
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mob17 what is the cost of the Conti's/PSSfor your 19's?
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mob17 what is the cost of the Conti's/PSSfor your 19's?
I've only checked camskill so far. The contis are 768 shipped and the PSS are 802 shipped. Haven't looked around properly though so not sure if they can be sourced cheaper than that.
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I'm planning to chose between those 2 as well....when it's time to change...if my pockets are deep enough...

Is there a big price difference between the two?
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I've only checked camskill so far. The contis are 768 shipped and the PSS are 802 shipped. Haven't looked around properly though so not sure if they can be sourced cheaper than that.
The figures worked out slightly differently for me on Camskill.

PSS came out at:
OEM size - 841.00 + delivery
Upsize +1 (235/265) - 919.00 + delivery

Contis
OEM - 756.60 + delivery
Upsize +1 (235/265) - 960.00 + delivery

Food for thought, you might want to think about saving some money

Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta's

Upsized tyres - 235/265 (cheaper than OEM sizes)

621.20 + delivery
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The figures worked out slightly differently for me on Camskill.

PSS came out at:
OEM size - 841.00 + delivery
Upsize +1 (235/265) - 919.00 + delivery

Contis
OEM - 756.60 + delivery
Upsize +1 (235/265) - 960.00 + delivery

Food for thought, you might want to think about saving some money

Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta's

Upsized tyres - 235/265 (cheaper than OEM sizes)

621.20 + delivery
That's odd, I get 790+ shipping for the PSS, using 225/35/19 and 255/30/19.

Re tyre sizes, i've always stuck to the OEM sizes. What are the benefits of going to a larger size? I've only seen people go smaller for cosmetic reasons.

Those Vreds are a tempting price!! Compared to the two above, are they in a different league, or are they pretty similar in terms of dry/wet grip and wear?
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That's odd, I get 790+ shipping for the PSS, using 225/35/19 and 255/30/19.

Re tyre sizes, i've always stuck to the OEM sizes. What are the benefits of going to a larger size? I've only seen people go smaller for cosmetic reasons.

Those Vreds are a tempting price!! Compared to the two above, are they in a different league, or are they pretty similar in terms of dry/wet grip and wear?
I was just checking to see if you'd spot my deliberate mistake,you were still awake

Of course they are 790.40 + delivery,so well done

Upsizing - wider tyre,more rubber to grip the tarmac,better traction,less of the T/control disco light!

I can't offer a comparison in honesty Mo, as I've never used either of your two preferences.
The price of the Vreds would put them in a different league I guess,perception and reality is often blurred though.

I found the Vreds significantly better than the Falkens I used to have fitted,and by some margin, and the price saving over the other two (PSS/Conti) cannot be ignored.

I'm sure many will agree,but just as many will disagree.

170.00 ish will go towards your other kitty,and you'll have more rubber to boot
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Are these the same?
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I'm on my second or thrid set of conti 5p tyres, running 265-30-19 and 235-35-19

On this car I've previously run, Bridgestone(both rft and non-rft), falken fk452, Dunlop SP Sport Maxx, and now conti 5p.

The rear tyre wear consistency is remarkable !! Out of several sets of the about, the contis are the only ones that have a 1mm variation across the cross section on the rears.
The fronts again, they wear very very well, minimal shoulder scrub and no inner edge wear.
I know wheel alignment play a large factor in the wear rates, but even with the correct wheel alignment (adjust at one place and checked + verified at two others) the inner edges on the rears would be bald with 3 and 4mm (in some instances) left on the rest of the rear tyres.
As I do like to drive swiftly, the centre sections use to wear slightly more than the rest of the tyres, a characteristic of over inflation, but it wasn't.

The steel internal construction of the conti tyres has improved the wear consistency remarkably.

Tyre life, grip and traction, again, all round good, tyre longevity is raeasonable for the performance returned.
I the wet, corner grip is rewarding, and inspires confidence.

Sadly, the only two sets of the older versions of the Michelins I've had we're on different cars, my old S4 and and E46 M3, but sadly these were purely recreational cars, so driven in a very different manor so wouldn't be an unfair and indirect comparison

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I was just checking to see if you'd spot my deliberate mistake,you were still awake

Of course they are 790.40 + delivery,so well done

Upsizing - wider tyre,more rubber to grip the tarmac,better traction,less of the T/control disco light!

I can't offer a comparison in honesty Mo, as I've never used either of your two preferences.
The price of the Vreds would put them in a different league I guess,perception and reality is often blurred though.

I found the Vreds significantly better than the Falkens I used to have fitted,and by some margin, and the price saving over the other two (PSS/Conti) cannot be ignored.

I'm sure many will agree,but just as many will disagree.

170.00 ish will go towards your other kitty,and you'll have more rubber to boot
I guess if you found them significantly better thank the falkens, they have to be good, and you're right, the savings of 170-200 can go towards my other expense and would really help out. But the other 2 tyres "seem" like the ultimate. Need to think this through! What tyres are you running and any idea what you'll run next?

They are also upsized I am guessing this will help with the ride as the sidewall will be slightly wider? How about implications for insurance/warranty?
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I've just gone from Bridgestone RFT's to Continental 5's.

I've only had the conti's on for a few hundred miles so far, so maybe they're posdibly not fully worn in yet. I'm still getting vastly improved levels of grip compared to the RFT's. The roads were empty and damp on my way to work early this morning, so I tackled a few bends more enthusiastically than I normally would. The conti's really are confidence inspiring in bad conditions. I was very impressed with the wet grip. I would certainly of activated the traction control with the RFT's. I've not had the opportunity to try them out in good weather yet. Really please with them so far. Much smoother ride now too compared to the run flats.

Goodyear eagle F1 asymmetric 2's are worth considering to. These seem to be cheaper at love tyres than camskill a couple of weeks back when I was looking.
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I will list these on the classifieds ahead of putting onto fleabay.

I have a used set of conti SC5 19" tyres all XL with 5-6mm tread & no nicks, repairs or plugs.

2 off 225 35 19 ie oem

2 off 265 30 19 ie oem + up 1 size

600 Ono cash for all 4 tyres collected from Twickenham.

Will split into pairs for good offers.

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May not fully answer the OP's question 100% but on my old E46 330d I run on the set of genuine BBS CH's I had a set of Pilot Sport tyres which when worn to around 3mm were swapped for a set of Sport Contact 3's and the change was like night and day, I discovered a better ride and it was a tad quieter inside too plus you got a decent rim protector aswell. The brand swap was quite an eye opener as the Pilot Sport tyre was as far as i was concerned considered the No1 choice. I was converted after that to Conti's.

My E92 Coupe again running 19's was something I wanted to address ASAP re ditching the Bridgestone Runflats, I found them apart from hard/noisy a bit skittish on our less than billiard table smooth roads, in fact everything I'd read from others about their overall performance was being demonstrated whenever I drove my car.

Conti Sport Contact 5P's now sit on my 19' rims and boy what a difference, perhaps the biggest compliment I can pay them is their performance in the snow, I was really impressed, plenty of feel/feedback.

I've been lucky, if that's the word as I manage the service department for an Indy BMW specialist to drive a good few E92 coupes shod with Runflats, which backs my decision to ditch them every time I drive one and the odd car which seems to be owned by a well researched enthusiast with non run flats using different tyre brands and you do register the difference, especially once the tyre pressures are correctly set, at the end of the service, but I still think the Conti's on mine, though more expensive than many other brands are worth that bit extra financially.

Re the non run flat brands I had when looking noticed were mainly Hankooks, which I can see are highly regarded after doing some reading. And there great value from the prices I've seen.
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They are also upsized I am guessing this will help with the ride as the sidewall will be slightly wider? How about implications for insurance/warranty?
Marginal difference in the sidewall Mo, the profiles (height of sidewall) 35 front/30 rear stay the same,it's just the width of the tyre that differs, hence more rubber across the width.

I'd stick with the OEM profile,especially with your other proposal/s,no implication on warranty,with perhaps the exception of changing to non run flats,so BWW could unjustifiably deny a claim for cracked wheel/s, twats!

Insurance,OK your changing from the OEM size, however the other indices remain as OEM or better.
For me,insurance and tyres is a moot point,as long as there black,round are of good quality,are upsized and not the other way around, and meet all British tyre standards,denying an insurance claim for deviating from what a car manufacturer recommends in size is a nonsense.

Has anyone had it happen?
Has anyone heard of it happening?If yes,I'd love to read about it.

The tyres on the car were on it when I bought it

The above is MY opinion, and I've never declared upsized tyre sizes to an insurance company,nor would I.

If I were buying tyres again,I'd go with the Vreds,cheaper than the 'Ultimate' tyres which are your preference,but is price alone a defining factor in a better tyre,I don't think so.

A brand snob,would vehemently disagree with me,so be it
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I will list these on the classifieds ahead of putting onto fleabay.

I have a used set of conti SC5 19" tyres all XL with 5-6mm tread & no nicks, repairs or plugs.

2 off 225 35 19 ie oem

2 off 265 30 19 ie oem + up 1 size

600 Ono cash for all 4 tyres collected from Twickenham.

Will split into pairs for good offers.

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I have PMed you, but you've overvalued those there.

265/35/19s run at 182 each or 364 for 2
http://camskill.co.uk/m55b0s341p9842..._Noise%3A_73dB

225/35/19 run at 167 each or 334 for 2
http://camskill.co.uk/m55b0s468p9897..._Noise%3A_72dB



In effect you are trying to sell a 30% worn set of tyres for only 98 off (a 16% discount)

I'd expect at best 30% of value to immediately disappear as they are used tyres and then you've lost 30% of the tread. So really about half off. 350.
But being fair and rounding up I'd put the fronts at 200 and the rears at 250 the pair.

Tha'ts a very fair price - and I've just PMed you to offer you that exact price for the fronts.

But otherwise I'll wait until my summers go back on in March and just buy 2 new fronts.

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In a similar situation myself, not sure which make to go for.
I'm sure I read that michelin had some kind of puncture call out warranty?
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In a similar situation myself, not sure which make to go for.
I'm sure I read that michelin had some kind of puncture call out warranty?
I heard this too actually but i'm not sure if it was for US customers only...
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http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414677
Have a read, interesting, probably swayed me tbh, although had SPort COntacts on my Golf a few years back and they didn't last that well.
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