E90Post
 


GTB Performance
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > Regional Forums > UK > Bye Bye 335i



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-06-2013, 05:11 AM   #1
matlough
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 335i Saloon
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hampshire - UK

Posts: 393
iTrader: (0)

Bye Bye 335i

Hello M135i :-)
Just ordered one of these... Can't wait!
(Delivery due beginning May)

5 door M135i in Alpine white
Manual 6sp
Driver comfort package
Park Distance Control (PDC), front and rear
Visibility package
Media package - BMW Professional Multimedia 609 Navigation-system Professional
BMW Assist
BMW Assist online portal
Enhanced Bluetooth functionality incl. BMW
Assist with USB audio interface
Adaptive M Sport suspension
Ext. mirrors - folding, auto dimming Elec Fr Seats + Driver Memory Lumbar support, driver and front pass. Extended storage
Seat heating, front
High-gloss Black interior trim finisher Headlight wash
Harman Kardon - Hi-Fi
Telephone USB audio interface BMW Apps interface
Black panel display, full
5 year / 60k service pack

As much as I've enjoyed the 335i, it's time to part company. Having owned it for nearly 6 years now I fancy something else and the M135 ticks all of my boxes!

Test drove the Auto which is very very good, but in the end decided that I would miss the interaction with a stick.

Also looking forward to a decent audio system having put up with the s#%t standard system for all this time!

Anyone else made/making the move?
__________________
Current: AW F20 M135i :-)
Past Masters: E90 335i with Evolve / Honda Accord Type R / Prelude VTI / Prelude 2.2 Vtec
matlough is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 05:32 AM   #2
creepy coupe
Major General
 
creepy coupe's Avatar
 
Drives: M235i
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK

Posts: 8,173
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2009 335i  [0.00]
Congrats, awesome car. I was looking up til last week, when I managed a drive in a manual car with adaptive dampers. The adaptive is an improvement over the standard set-up, but still a tad firm for my liking. It does suit that type of car though to be fair.

I didn't get on with the manual gearbox, The throws were too long IMO and it just wasn't a match for the wonderful 8 speed auto.

I bet you can't wait
creepy coupe is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 05:46 AM   #3
matlough
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 335i Saloon
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hampshire - UK

Posts: 393
iTrader: (0)

Really can't wait!!

Not test drove the manual but I'm sure if they are too long nothing that a short shift performance upgrade can't fix :-)
__________________
Current: AW F20 M135i :-)
Past Masters: E90 335i with Evolve / Honda Accord Type R / Prelude VTI / Prelude 2.2 Vtec
matlough is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 05:48 AM   #4
creepy coupe
Major General
 
creepy coupe's Avatar
 
Drives: M235i
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK

Posts: 8,173
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2009 335i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by matlough View Post
Really can't wait!!

Not test drove the manual but I'm sure if they are too long nothing that a short shift performance upgrade can't fix :-)
If I were spend around +30k on a car I'd really want to test drive it.
creepy coupe is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 06:24 AM   #5
MEGA
Dieseasal
 
MEGA's Avatar
 
Drives: LCI E92 335d M-Sport
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Harrow, London

Posts: 6,839
iTrader: (2)

Send a message via MSN to MEGA
Quote:
Originally Posted by creepy coupe View Post
If I were spend around +30k on a car I'd really want to test drive it.
+1!!! But the 6MT is imho a very good shift. You won't be dissapointed.
__________________
Previously: 2003 Peugeot 206 1.6 8v | 2006 E90 320d M-Sport, 19" BBS CH, Full Ice-cold JL audio install, August 2010 Total BMW 6 page feature car. | 2003 Nissan 350Z GT Coupe 286BHP
Now:2010 E92 LCI 335d M-Sport
MEGA is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 06:32 AM   #6
Kerr
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 08' 335i Coupe
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Aberdeen

Posts: 3,653
iTrader: (0)

Nice one.
Kerr is offline   Scotland
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 06:35 AM   #7
AdamC
Captain
 
AdamC's Avatar
 
Drives: E92
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: West Midlands - UK

Posts: 731
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Congrats, I do like the M135i. I'm sure you wont be dissapointed.
AdamC is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 06:40 AM   #8
creepy coupe
Major General
 
creepy coupe's Avatar
 
Drives: M235i
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK

Posts: 8,173
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2009 335i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGA View Post
+1!!! But the 6MT is imho a very good shift. You won't be dissapointed.
Dave. Over the years I've found powerful engined cars with manual gearboxes to disappoint.

R32
Cayman S
135i although not too bad after a short shifter was fitted.

E92 M3 horrible 1st to 2nd change, well documented on M3 forums.

I just wouldn't take the change again. too much displeasure at stake. I found myself tuning into the problem and not enjoying the drive.
creepy coupe is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 07:19 AM   #9
djgandy
Major
 
Drives: E92 335i MT
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: London

Posts: 1,031
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2007 BMW 335i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by creepy coupe View Post
Dave. Over the years I've found powerful engined cars with manual gearboxes to disappoint.

R32
Cayman S
135i although not too bad after a short shifter was fitted.

E92 M3 horrible 1st to 2nd change, well documented on M3 forums.

I just wouldn't take the change again. too much displeasure at stake. I found myself tuning into the problem and not enjoying the drive.
I would say I agree with you. I have a 335i Manual, and it is very engaging to drive. It wasn't a preference though, I bought it because the price was right, but I do feel an Auto especially the DCT would suit the car better. The auto has shorter 1st and 2nd gears, and more importantly a much longer 6th reducing motorway revs by around 10%.

Shifting down into 1st is the biggest pain on the manual, say when approaching a slowish roundabout where you might need that bit of extra power. You have to blip the throttle to ~3k revs else you're going to be juddering all over the place when the clutch engages. On the plus side you can get to ~70mph in 2nd!

I think there is a reason yanks have driven autos for so long, they have a history of large engined cars, even for a "run around". Manuals just don't feel right with so much torque imo.
djgandy is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 07:42 AM   #10
dape90
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2013 F20 118i M-Sport
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Herts

Posts: 132
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by matlough
Hello M135i :-)
Just ordered one of these... Can't wait!
(Delivery due beginning May)

5 door M135i in Alpine white
Manual 6sp
Driver comfort package
Park Distance Control (PDC), front and rear
Visibility package
Media package - BMW Professional Multimedia 609 Navigation-system Professional
BMW Assist
BMW Assist online portal
Enhanced Bluetooth functionality incl. BMW
Assist with USB audio interface
Adaptive M Sport suspension
Ext. mirrors - folding, auto dimming Elec Fr Seats + Driver Memory Lumbar support, driver and front pass. Extended storage
Seat heating, front
High-gloss Black interior trim finisher Headlight wash
Harman Kardon - Hi-Fi
Telephone USB audio interface BMW Apps interface
Black panel display, full
5 year / 60k service pack

As much as I've enjoyed the 335i, it's time to part company. Having owned it for nearly 6 years now I fancy something else and the M135 ticks all of my boxes!

Test drove the Auto which is very very good, but in the end decided that I would miss the interaction with a stick.

Also looking forward to a decent audio system having put up with the s#%t standard system for all this time!

Anyone else made/making the move?
I have my 1 Series coming on March first. Similar spec to yours including the HK sound system. However, mine is a 118i but I have also got a little something on order from Hartge.

I took this approach as the miles I do would make a M135i expensive to run and worth very little after 3 years.

Still, looking forward to picking it up.

Good luck with yours, it's going to be a corker!! :-)

D
dape90 is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 07:44 AM   #11
matlough
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 335i Saloon
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hampshire - UK

Posts: 393
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by djgandy View Post

Shifting down into 1st is the biggest pain on the manual, say when approaching a slowish roundabout where you might need that bit of extra power. You have to blip the throttle to ~3k revs else you're going to be juddering all over the place when the clutch engages. On the plus side you can get to ~70mph in 2nd
That's why I love manuals, love a bit of heel and toe!
__________________
Current: AW F20 M135i :-)
Past Masters: E90 335i with Evolve / Honda Accord Type R / Prelude VTI / Prelude 2.2 Vtec
matlough is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 08:11 AM   #12
doughboy
Major General
 
doughboy's Avatar
 
Drives: E91 335i Sold.
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: UK

Posts: 6,375
iTrader: (2)

Nice car OP - you'll love the manual, even a bad manual is better than an auto

Quote:
Originally Posted by djgandy View Post
Shifting down into 1st is the biggest pain on the manual, say when approaching a slowish roundabout where you might need that bit of extra power. You have to blip the throttle to ~3k revs else you're going to be juddering all over the place when the clutch engages. On the plus side you can get to ~70mph in 2nd!
Err? As you would in any manual car trying to get first gear on the move, I'm not sure what you mean?


I think what you mean is a larger engines / rear wheel drive shows up poor rev matching due to its high rotating inertia and the lacking rear grip on engine breaking (we all do it ), whereas smaller engines (mainly FWD) just get dragged up the revs when you drop the clutch without rev-matching enough.
__________________
335i gone E63 AMG here at last!
doughboy is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 08:24 AM   #13
creepy coupe
Major General
 
creepy coupe's Avatar
 
Drives: M235i
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK

Posts: 8,173
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2009 335i  [0.00]
[Nice car OP - you'll love the manual, even a bad manual is better than an auto


You need to try a modern BMW.

Last edited by creepy coupe; 02-06-2013 at 11:11 AM.
creepy coupe is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 09:14 AM   #14
MEGA
Dieseasal
 
MEGA's Avatar
 
Drives: LCI E92 335d M-Sport
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Harrow, London

Posts: 6,839
iTrader: (2)

Send a message via MSN to MEGA
1st->2nd is a bitch with that gearbox. Being at the right revs helps but doesn't solve it, and in a quick car matching the revs can as you said Del mean you're making far more progress than you want to be or else driving like a kangaroo.

This is of course not something specific to any of the cars the Zf 6MT is fitted to. It's a characteristic of the box itself. Even my 320d was very bad for it with a meagre 200bhp, just the affect was a bit less noticable that way...

But I'd drive another 6 speed manual BM for sure given the opportunity. The 335d only came as auto or I'd never switched and though I don't miss the manual in traffic, it's so much more engaging to drive a proper manual than an auto box. Paddles or no paddles. IMHO!

If I get an M2 and manual is an option I'm taking it I think..
__________________
Previously: 2003 Peugeot 206 1.6 8v | 2006 E90 320d M-Sport, 19" BBS CH, Full Ice-cold JL audio install, August 2010 Total BMW 6 page feature car. | 2003 Nissan 350Z GT Coupe 286BHP
Now:2010 E92 LCI 335d M-Sport
MEGA is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 10:14 AM   #15
phil200tdi
Colonel
 
phil200tdi's Avatar
 
Drives: 335i M Sport E90 LCI manual
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Aylesbury

Posts: 2,629
iTrader: (1)

Unless at a complete stop I dont often see the need for first gear.

The gearing is too low, 2nd tends to hook up much better from 5mph upwards.

I want an M135i but have a wedding/honeymoon to pay for. I'd get the auto without question... Better fuel economy and quicker - no brainer. I would miss heel and toeing though.
__________________
Car: 2010 Jaguar XFR (Stock - For now)
Gone but not forgotten: Highly Modified E90 335i LCI M Sport Manual (circa 480BHP/500lb ft)
phil200tdi is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-06-2013, 10:18 AM   #16
xenon
Brigadier General
 
xenon's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 F10 520d M-Sport
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Coventry

Posts: 4,768
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by doughboy View Post
engine breaking...
Tsk. Would never have thought it of you, db.

BTT - Great car the M135i.
__________________
Ian
Current: 2013 F10 520d M-Sport, Professional Media, Visibility Pack, Reversing Camera, DAB
Previous: 2011 F10 520d M-Sport, 2008 320i M-Sport Coupe, 2002 325i, 2001 318i valvetronic, 1998 318i, 1996 525i, 1990 Porsche 944S2
xenon is offline   England
0
Reply With Quote
      02-07-2013, 02:51 AM   #17
SteveC
Captain
 
Drives: M135i
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: North East

Posts: 865
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by matlough View Post
Hello M135i :-)
Just ordered one of these... Can't wait!
(Delivery due beginning May)

5 door M135i in Alpine white
Manual 6sp
Driver comfort package
Park Distance Control (PDC), front and rear
Visibility package
Media package - BMW Professional Multimedia 609 Navigation-system Professional
BMW Assist
BMW Assist online portal
Enhanced Bluetooth functionality incl. BMW
Assist with USB audio interface
Adaptive M Sport suspension
Ext. mirrors - folding, auto dimming Elec Fr Seats + Driver Memory Lumbar support, driver and front pass. Extended storage
Seat heating, front
High-gloss Black interior trim finisher Headlight wash
Harman Kardon - Hi-Fi
Telephone USB audio interface BMW Apps interface
Black panel display, full
5 year / 60k service pack

Test drove the Auto which is very very good, but in the end decided that I would miss the interaction with a stick.

Also looking forward to a decent audio system having put up with the s#%t standard system for all this time!

Anyone else made/making the move?


Mine arrives in March. Sold my Z4M (scratched the Cabriolet itch) and will trade the X5 (don't need so much space anymore) and wanted something both practical and relatively economical with handling and performance. The M135i is slightly faster than the Z4M with loads more down low torque and switchable comfort cruising or back road hooning modes.

Your spec is almost identical to my 'alternative'. I eventually ordered whatever the blue colour is with black seats.....but Alpine White with red upholstery was a close 2nd. Just thought the UK's filthy roads would be a real pain with white.

As a dyed-in-the wool manual fan, I've had several ATs and they've always been a major dissapointment, making the car feel dull and slow(er) vs. MT and interfering with driver interaction (picking the wrong place to downshift, not downshifting soon enough etc. yet never satisfying in their manual mode due to sluggish, slurred shifts). The MT on the M135i is a peach. Smooth, beautifully weighted shifts, no baulkiness and perfectly positioned shifter. I had absolutely no problem with 1st to 2nd, or the usually more problematic 2nd to 1st. The latter downshift always needs some revs, due to low ratio/engine braking, unless you want to lock your rears momentarily or ride the clutch. Can't remember many roads where I need 1st and coming into roundabouts, 1st is only required for <5mph, in which case the downshift is by definition speed/rev matched.
Having said all that, I ordered the 8 speed AT. I tried both boxes and loved the 8spd's manual mode, with almost instant shifts and hook up. Late braking with 2 instant down shifts, all while keeping both hands on the wheel put back the driving fun and the extra acceleration and economy and lower CO2 swayed the argument in the ATs favour. The box is probably as good as AT is going to get any time soon, so for me, this will be a proper test of my AT vs. MT preference.

As a fan of good music on the move I'm particularly looking forward to the upgraded HK ICE. My last 4 cars have had BMW's 'Business' upgrade, which was OK in the LCI 330d but pretty crappy in the others. This is one area I may still go for an afternarket improvement, depending on how good the HK really is.

The other big temptation is Bird's Quaffe LSD. As a 1,600 upgrade its likely to make major improvements in traction, on-limit handling and the transition into overseer. Those improvements will no doubt translate into a more relaxing, more drivable car when roads get twisty or damp.

All in all I'm really looking forward to getting the M135i which hopefully ticks all the boxes it promises to on paper.

Last edited by SteveC; 02-07-2013 at 03:01 AM.
SteveC is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-07-2013, 03:09 AM   #18
matlough
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 335i Saloon
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hampshire - UK

Posts: 393
iTrader: (0)

Excellent, with all that money saved going with manual, a nice LSD!

The auto is really really nice and it was giving me sleepless nights trying to decide, I just think personally the novelty would have worn off after a few months.

Don't know about anyone else but i've still only seen one on the road
(Well, not even that. It was in a car park!).

Roll on May! :-)
__________________
Current: AW F20 M135i :-)
Past Masters: E90 335i with Evolve / Honda Accord Type R / Prelude VTI / Prelude 2.2 Vtec
matlough is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-07-2013, 05:32 AM   #19
doughboy
Major General
 
doughboy's Avatar
 
Drives: E91 335i Sold.
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: UK

Posts: 6,375
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by phil200tdi View Post
I'd get the auto without question... Better fuel economy.......
But it's a fiddle, the autos are better at the 'super-gentle-driving' Euro fuel economy test because they are programmed to work perfectly just for that test and they have silly 7th/8th gear which is only fitted to improve the test results. They won't run in 7th/8th unless you are on the lightest of throttle and level cruise (i.e. Euro test), or coasting downhill.

In real life, considering it is a 300hp 3litre turbo, not exactly meant for pottering, you are unlikely to get more MPG from the auto because they are less efficient / more losses (much heavier too) than a manual. just physics.

Any kind of 'normal' driving, for the sports car it is, will put you back in the low MPG brackets, most likely worse than the manual.

DCT or Torque converter box can never be more efficient than a manual box, but they are able to fudge the test.
__________________
335i gone E63 AMG here at last!

Last edited by doughboy; 02-07-2013 at 05:39 AM.
doughboy is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-07-2013, 05:35 AM   #20
Guvernator
Captain
 
Drives: BMW 335i SE Cabriolet
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: LONDON

Posts: 616
iTrader: (0)

Congratulations chaps, I really really want to like these as the engine is an absolute peach and package is almost perfect for my family wagon requirements, unfortunately I just can't get on with the looks. Is there anything that can be done to improve this a bit, especially the front end?

As for the auto vs manual argument, my current car is an auto and while it's a very good auto (with paddles) I still find it feels a little sluggish and removes some of the fun\interaction. I've not tried the new 8 speed auto and would really like to give it a chance but I suspect my next car will be a manual.
Guvernator is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-07-2013, 05:37 AM   #21
matlough
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 335i Saloon
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hampshire - UK

Posts: 393
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by doughboy View Post
But it's a fiddle, the autos are better at the 'granny-driving-super-slow' Euro fuel economy test because they are programmed to work perfectly just for that test and they have silly 7th/8th gear which is only fitted to improve the test results. They won't run in 7th/8th unless you are on the lightest of throttle and level cruise (i.e. Euro test), or downhill.

In real life, you are unlikely to get more MPG from any auto because they are less efficient / more losses (much heavier too) than a manual. just physics.

Any kind of 'normal' driving for the sports car it is will put you back in the low MPG brackets.

DCT or Torque converter box can never be more efficient than a manual box, but they are able to fudge the test.
Indeed, I managed to get 13mpg when I tested the Auto
__________________
Current: AW F20 M135i :-)
Past Masters: E90 335i with Evolve / Honda Accord Type R / Prelude VTI / Prelude 2.2 Vtec
matlough is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      02-07-2013, 05:41 AM   #22
doughboy
Major General
 
doughboy's Avatar
 
Drives: E91 335i Sold.
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: UK

Posts: 6,375
iTrader: (2)

It's amazing what the change in exhaust resonator / accoustics does for the M135i, the rorty noise in the cabin just changes the whole feel of the car.

Agree the looks are a bit marmite though, especially the pedestrian proof nose.
__________________
335i gone E63 AMG here at last!
doughboy is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:02 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST