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      08-16-2005, 02:34 AM   #1
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Navigation DVD

I removed my navigation DVD from the DVD drive and the navigation still worked perfectly. What is the use of the navigation DVD? I have the business navigation system
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With the Business NAV system you enter your route and the computer then loads the info from the DVD.

You can then Remove the DVD sothat you can play a audio cd

Only if you change your route do you need to reinsert the Nav DVD

Professional Nav always needs its DVD while navigating
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      08-17-2005, 09:46 PM   #3
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I am about to order the 330I. People tell me the BMW Nav system isn't any good, hard to read ect. I swore my next Bimmer I would get Navi. Can you guys tell me is the Idrive really that bad, is the nav system any good, is it popular for a 3 series?

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      08-17-2005, 10:03 PM   #4
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Thumpzilla: I think a big reason for the iDrive's lack of popluarity among E90 owners is the fact that it costs $2000--$2000 that can easily go towards something else like the sport or premium package, or even an upgrade from a 325i to the 330i. It all depends what you want.

Did you use it yet? If not, go to a dealer and ask them to let you play around with it for a little while. It definitely has a long learning curve (like about 2 weeks) but I can't do without it now that I have it. I wanted ALL the toys, so I got the iDrive on my car. I have no complaints with it all. But that's just me. Good luck
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      08-17-2005, 10:37 PM   #5
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People tell me the BMW Nav system isn't any good, hard to read ect.
Hey,

Most people who critisize something have never seen, felt or used it before. Now who actually told you about the fact the nav is hard to read? Whoever did proves to me that they have NEVER seen the current e90 idrive nav system.

It couldn't be more clear. You really need to see this for yourself to truly appreciate the nav system. It works 100% fine for me.
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      08-17-2005, 11:54 PM   #6
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I have no problem with the nav itself, but my town is covered compltely, only the main roads (hopefully everything will be covered in the 2006 DVD)
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IDtive is great, if only peple would take 20min to read the manual and learn the basics
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IDtive is great, if only peple would take 20min to read the manual and learn the basics
I have, Ive used it in several cars (7 and 5 series), Ive used the voice commands, the whole lot. And Im an IT Consultant by profession.

My unliking of I-drive is not for lack of wanting to like it or for lack of trying and readin up.
Its still a suboptimal solution to a problem that I never had before the advent of i-drive. So Ill simply pass on it as long as I can.

If its fine with anybody else, thats fine with me. Im not trying to convert anyone (although I have tried to convert everyone I know towards SMG wich is great, but unfortunately not available for the E90)
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I have, Ive used it in several cars (7 and 5 series), Ive used the voice commands, the whole lot. And Im an IT Consultant by profession.

My unliking of I-drive is not for lack of wanting to like it or for lack of trying and readin up.
Its still a suboptimal solution to a problem that I never had before the advent of i-drive. So Ill simply pass on it as long as I can.

If its fine with anybody else, thats fine with me. Im not trying to convert anyone (although I have tried to convert everyone I know towards SMG wich is great, but unfortunately not available for the E90)
Just shows not everyody likes everything

Ill not take another car without Idrive, but hate SMG in a non //M car


SMG will be released in europe in Septmber
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Just shows not everyody likes everything

Ill not take another car without Idrive, but hate SMG in a non //M car


SMG will be released in europe in Septmber


Agree to disagree.

Btw. Are you sure about SMG in September? All other new options for September have more or less been confirmed. SMG hasnt. The only news about SMG is that it will NOT come to the US (contrary to earlier statement). SMG is not in the new pricelists. Not really relevant to me anyway, just git my MT 330, but Im curious as to where BMW is going with SMG.
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Agree to disagree.

Btw. Are you sure about SMG in September? All other new options for September have more or less been confirmed. SMG hasnt. The only news about SMG is that it will NOT come to the US (contrary to earlier statement). SMG is not in the new pricelists. Not really relevant to me anyway, just git my MT 330, but Im curious as to where BMW is going with SMG.


Was wondering about the SMG, its on the latest parts programme at the dealer ( but so is 323i, 316i and 318d ) but not on any of the latest price lists.

www.bmw.de hasnt updated their configurator for September yet, so lets see what it says there

maybe there is a nother short wait ???
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I know. The parts are in the ETK and there have been sightings of prototype E90 with SMG. Even pictures in information material for NA dealers.

But no further news except an announcement from BMW NA that SMG will not be available for the E90 (not delayed, but not available at all) and its cancelled for NA on the E46 Model year 06 (Coupe and carbiolet)

No word whatsoever on SMG or the future of SMG from BMW at all (except hints that the M3 will have SMG).

My guess is, BMW is working on a double clutch system or about to buy a double clutch system from a supplier and will not push the old SMG anymore.

Well see. Too late for me anyhow. Ill have to reevaluate in 2 years and 10 months. Oh well, all I want is an automated manual.
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I know. The parts are in the ETK and there have been sightings of prototype E90 with SMG. Even pictures in information material for NA dealers.

But no further news except an announcement from BMW NA that SMG will not be available for the E90 (not delayed, but not available at all) and its cancelled for NA on the E46 Model year 06 (Coupe and carbiolet)

No word whatsoever on SMG or the future of SMG from BMW at all (except hints that the M3 will have SMG).

My guess is, BMW is working on a double clutch system or about to buy a double clutch system from a supplier and will not push the old SMG anymore.

Well see. Too late for me anyhow. Ill have to reevaluate in 2 years and 10 months. Oh well, all I want is an automated manual.
The BMW Dual Clutch gearbox is known.
its called the ZSG and is supposed to be launched mid next year with the 335i

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      08-18-2005, 08:22 AM   #14
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SMG is a dead technology.... The DSG that audi designed is a much better solution and is cheaper to produce and more reliable; I think BMW is realizing this and has scrapped the SMG until they have their own Direct shift dual clutch setup, it is AMAZING!! From what I was recently told Masseratti is also dropping there F1 setup in favor of this and using the F1 as an option starting sometime next year. Borg Warner is currently producing Audi's setup, I am sure BMW will do it in house or possibly Aisan or getrag?
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SMG is a dead technology.... The DSG that audi designed is a much better solution and is cheaper to produce and more reliable; I think BMW is realizing this and has scrapped the SMG until they have their own Direct shift dual clutch setup, it is AMAZING!! From what I was recently told Masseratti is also dropping there F1 setup in favor of this and using the F1 as an option starting sometime next year. Borg Warner is currently producing Audi's setup, I am sure BMW will do it in house or possibly Aisan or getrag?

The VW DSG is not so nice, have had 3 test drives with it, and it still needs a lot of work

All Magazines here have found it to be slower than a manual aswell


BMW's is either Getrag or ZF
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Beg to differ.... not sure where you read that, as I would like to read it. Considering "Best auto manual transmission on earth" (Motor Trend), Automibile magazine gave it the technology award for 2005. And there numbers indicate it is faster than a manual.
It (DSG) shifts in .2 seconds, I have not used it in a VW, but an Audi and there is no hesitation or issues what so ever, and all the articles I have read indicate it is the best thing in transmissions and is the technology of the future now, the SMG on the other hand from what I have read is not as good. It (DSG) has recieved many awards and accolades.It is quicker and smoother than the SMG. If the SMG was better why I ask would they be scrapping it and developing a dual clutch setup? Considering Masseratti is doing the same thing..... I express things objectively, I do not drink the Cool Aid... BMW is a step behind with this, no doubt about it.
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Beg to differ.... not sure where you read that, as I would like to read it. Considering "Best auto manual transmission on earth" (Motor Trend), Automibile magazine gave it the technology award for 2005. And there numbers indicate it is faster than a manual.
It (DSG) shifts in .2 seconds, I have not used it in a VW, but an Audi and there is no hesitation or issues what so ever, and all the articles I have read indicate it is the best thing in transmissions and is the technology of the future now, the SMG on the other hand from what I have read is not as good. It (DSG) has recieved many awards and accolades.It is quicker and smoother than the SMG. If the SMG was better why I ask would they be scrapping it and developing a dual clutch setup? Considering Masseratti is doing the same thing..... I express things objectively, I do not drink the Cool Aid... BMW is a step behind with this, no doubt about it.

Not saying SMG is better, jut saying DSG is not very nice either

Lets hope BMW's ZSG is better
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IDtive is great, if only peple would take 20min to read the manual and learn the basics
Agreed, 100%
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      01-12-2006, 08:43 AM   #19
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Likewise - a touch hypocritical maybe because I can't drive the car myself, but iDrive is a good system - if only people would bother spending half an hour sitting down with it and working out how to use it.

I wish someone would tell Jeremy Clarkson that. His M5 review still makes me angry...
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Thumpzilla: I think a big reason for the iDrive's lack of popluarity among E90 owners is the fact that it costs $2000--$2000 that can easily go towards something else like the sport or premium package, or even an upgrade from a 325i to the 330i. It all depends what you want.
agree! i was so determined to get it, i wanted some kind of OEM installed navigation system so bad that i even sacrificed the sport package for it. no regrets so far, just miss those sport seats
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Back to the NAV in iDrive topic . I think you'll find many who have had to use alternate solutions to NAV (not OEM) have found some very good units that contain useful features and probably easier to use. That being said, I still like the integrated solution for me even if it may not be as easy or feature rich as an aftermarket solution. In a 6er, and probably many in a 3,5 or 7 series think so as well, I do not want things hanging off my dash, center console, or having to put antennas in various places. So I opted for every built in item offered, NAV, SAT Radio, etc. One has to weigh cost versus benefit as already well stated in thread by others.
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And when it comes to the cost, as expensive as some things are when you're buying a BMW built to order, the dealers just hear 'retro fit' as 'double it'..
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