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      03-16-2013, 09:57 AM   #1
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Remapped 335d vs M135i

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Out of interest, which would be fastest 0-60 and in gear?

I had a bit of a pub arguement last night as I thought the M135i would still have the edge. I may be wrong
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335D -5.7 135i -4.8 0-60 times.

Source from zerp to 60 times. Com
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That's impressive from the m135i
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M135i will shit bricks on 335d on stock.
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If you want more fun to watch, then search for 1M vs M135i....
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M135i will shit bricks on 335d on stock.
But how about a re-mapped 335d?....

I still believe the M135i will be faster BUT it does not seem that anyone has done the comparison yet?...
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Shall we go over to the 1 forum boys and start a war with them?? make them come to the pod!
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Another one of these arguments.

I think the straightline difference between a mapped 335d and a m135i would be minimal.

Depending on what review you read the M135i is getting to 100MPH in about 11.2secs.

The 335d is 13.7secs 0-100mph standard and remapped is in the 11s too and that is moving a bigger car to start with.
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Another one of these arguments.

I think the straightline difference between a mapped 335d and a m135i would be minimal.

Depending on what review you read the M135i is getting to 100MPH in about 11.2secs.

The 335d is 13.7secs 0-100mph standard and remapped is in the 11s too and that is moving a bigger car to start with.
I would have thought they would be similar to 100 ... but the 135i more fun
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Shall we go over to the 1 forum boys and start a war with them?? make them come to the pod!
Sounds like a plan LOL
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Another one of these arguments.

I think the straightline difference between a mapped 335d and a m135i would be minimal.

Depending on what review you read the M135i is getting to 100MPH in about 11.2secs.

The 335d is 13.7secs 0-100mph standard and remapped is in the 11s too and that is moving a bigger car to start with.
Awsome, thanks, this is the kind of knowledge I was looking for!
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Harris got the M135i to 100 in 10.92 v's the RS3.
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Harris got the M135i to 100 in 10.92 v's the RS3.
He did in the figures. He also got the RS3 sub 11s which I've not seen in any other reputable reviews either.

Some good tests got 11.4 for the M135i.
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I had a 'play' with a M135i the other week on some backroads and there absolutely nothing in it when we hit the gas, did several goes with him behind me and I couldn't shake him, then I let him lead and he couldn't pull away. These were all when rolling already, I suspect being lighter, from a standing start he would have got me.

I'm remapped and I assume he was stock, if I had been running stock I would have been toast, was really impressed with it
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He did in the figures. He also got the RS3 sub 11s which I've not seen in any other reputable reviews either.

Some good tests got 11.4 for the M135i.
So you saying the figures aren't true? There's always disparity in tests, some testers get better times than others.

Most M135i are putting out 340bhp on rolling roads. I think there will be minor differences in times between a mapped 335d, standard v's standard M135 is definitely quicker.

10.9 on fastestlaps.com too
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So you saying the figures aren't true? There's always disparity in tests, some testers get better times than others.

Most M135i are putting out 340bhp on rolling roads. I think there will be minor differences in times between a mapped 335d, standard v's standard M135 is definitely quicker.

10.9 on fastestlaps.com too
fastestlaps.com is the most inaccurate site ever on the internet.

I've never known a car that people don't claim make more power on the rollers.

There must be the same claim for every single car in existence that they have far more power.

The question was remapped 335d v standard M135i and the real deal is there is just hairs to split.

Personally I wouldn't ever consider a 335d. Having had a shot now it isn't what I'd expect and delivers nothing what a petrol equivalent does.

Still no slouch in headline figures though.
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fastestlaps.com is the most inaccurate site ever on the internet.

I've never known a car that people don't claim make more power on the rollers.

There must be the same claim for every single car in existence that they have far more power.

The question was remapped 335d v standard M135i and the real deal is there is just hairs to split.

Personally I wouldn't ever consider a 335d. Having had a shot now it isn't what I'd expect and delivers nothing what a petrol equivalent does.

Still no slouch in headline figures though.
But that's 2 with the same time... must just be a coincidence then
Once some owners start taking them down the pod, then real data will be there.. as if it isn't already!

I didn't say 'far more power' 20bhp though isn't to be sniffed at, I'm sure that was on evolves dyno.

Yes i know the original question was mapped v's standard, but standard versus standard was mentioned, and as i said (from experience) the M135 is faster.

The only things the d doesn't have the i has is.. revs and noise. (less tuning potential)
Standard for standard there's nothing in them pace wise.
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But that's 2 with the same time... must just be a coincidence then
Once some owners start taking them down the pod, then real data will be there.. as if it isn't already!

I didn't say 'far more power' 20bhp though isn't to be sniffed at, I'm sure that was on evolves dyno.

Yes i know the original question was mapped v's standard, but standard versus standard was mentioned, and as i said (from experience) the M135 is faster.

The only things the d doesn't have the i has is.. revs and noise. (less tuning potential)
Standard for standard there's nothing in them pace wise.
People use the POD as reference but depending how the track is prepared and what the conditions are, santa pod brings the biggest swing in times.

The d doesn't have the character, feel, fun or amusement of the I. After driving the d they are classes apart.

The I is faster prior tuning and afterwards too.

We go over the same stuff every month here.
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Both don't deliver what a proper M car can if we want to play that game.
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I think Kerr is not a fan of the 335d and feels like putting it down a lot.


The M135i auto is where it's at, it has a close ratio box and that is what makes it quick.

But I think remapped 335d vs M135i would very close rolling, standing start
I think the M-lite would take the win.
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Physics

The biggest problem for a tuned 'd' is traction. A lot of its performance potential comes from its extraordinarily high torque number. The most recent 'M Performance' 'd' vehicles from BMW all come with 4 x 4. That's because RWD tends to convert that amount of torque into blue smoke, heat and noise rather than forward motion.

The most recently released M135i iX does 0-62 in 4.7 seconds. That's 0.2 seconds faster than its RWD sibling, despite the extra weight and frictional losses. The gain comes entirely from the hugely improved traction, which more that compensates.

So, the issue for 'd' vs. 'i' in terms of outright performance is always going to be its 0-10 mph performance and flashing orange traction control lights coming out of corners.

Perversely, point to point a tuned 'd' may actually be slower than a standard 'd' as once a tyre breaks traction you have to moderate both power and torque.

An X5 weights just slightly less than the moon, yet in Sport mode will beat almost anything on the road over the first 100 meters, down entirely to the massive traction available through its 4 huge 285 & 315 width tyres.

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