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      03-17-2013, 09:15 AM   #221
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Will be interesting to see how our lower revving diesels' curves will compare to the N54 gassers, and what that will mean for daily driving versus track experience, and at what RPM, etc.

Maybe this will require its own thread?
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Cssnms, I emailed them as well. Btw I have been looking at 335i and 335d intercoolers, and those look so similar. Top 335d, bottom 335i

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great article from CPE unfortunately no "D" IC from them , DD thanks for posting the Video I sent you from CARSTEN hopefully we will get the DROP pressures so we can with RENNtech and JBD get more ponies out of our programs!!!
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DD post the IC pics I sent you ok!!
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DD post the IC pics I sent you ok!!
Which ones? I haven't gotten any lately?
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Damn it Sprint!! Can't seem t o send out f me
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i sent them to your email
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i sent them to your email
Here they are:


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I'm jumping in on this thread guys. I'm heading down to RENNTech for a reflash in the next couple months and would like to entertain the idea of an intercooler upgrade as well. CP-E hopefully will do some homework on the D cooler since it looks like the differences are extremely minor making the R&D for a D specific core pretty straight forward.
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There's a guy from Atlanta that did his yesterday or before and clocked 306 whp and 445 lbs/torque
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There's a guy from Atlanta that did his yesterday or before and clocked 306 whp and 445 lbs/torque
Tune + Wagner IC? Please elaborate.
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DD, what is your email? I have some graphs that I'd like for you to post from Carsten. I don't have time to upload them this morning as I'm taking my car to get the suspension work done on it. This is what Carsten e-mailed me, minus the graphs:

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Hello John,

Attached you will find the Flow Comparison OEM vs. our 335d IC, based on
Pressure drop.

The test run was made with a SF-1020. We used Port Flow Analyzer 3.5 as
Software.
The Software works that way:

We have to set like 8 different target Pressure points, in that case inch
per Water. We actually converted these to PSI on the Sheet.

The Graphs also includes the Pressure drop that the Piping and the adapter
is building up.

Please note, this is the flow of the full cooler, not just the core!

The Main restriction is caused due the in and outlets. I have also attached
a CFM Flow analyses, there you can see the bottleneck.

We have seen claims from some of our competition in the past with a Pressure
drop of 0.5psi at 600-1000cfm. Something like that is just not possible,
even not if the core is fully empty.

Our goal is always to have 10-15% less Pressure drop then the OEM Unit. On
some coolers, like our Porsche intercoolers we have the same Pressure drop
as the OEM unit, but we reach 20° less IAT.

I hope that helps a little bit...


mit freundlichen Grüßen / best Regards

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Cool DD or Greek send me that info relay it to lenny @ RENNtech. I'm on my way home from Florida to the island ok
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Ahhh screw itn ive just ordered mine!

By the way this is my dino without DPF and catalitic converter :

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I have some graphs that I'd like for you to post from Carsten. I don't have time to upload them this morning as I'm taking my car to get the suspension work done on it. This is what Carsten e-mailed me, minus the graphs:

"Hello John,

Attached you will find the Flow Comparison OEM vs. our 335d IC, based on
Pressure drop.

The test run was made with a SF-1020. We used Port Flow Analyzer 3.5 as
Software.
The Software works that way:

We have to set like 8 different target Pressure points, in that case inch
per Water. We actually converted these to PSI on the Sheet.

The Graphs also includes the Pressure drop that the Piping and the adapter
is building up.

Please note, this is the flow of the full cooler, not just the core!

The Main restriction is caused due the in and outlets. I have also attached
a CFM Flow analyses, there you can see the bottleneck.

We have seen claims from some of our competition in the past with a Pressure
drop of 0.5psi at 600-1000cfm. Something like that is just not possible,
even not if the core is fully empty.

Our goal is always to have 10-15% less Pressure drop then the OEM Unit. On
some coolers, like our Porsche intercoolers we have the same Pressure drop
as the OEM unit, but we reach 20° less IAT.

I hope that helps a little bit...


mit freundlichen Grüßen / best Regards

Carsten Wagner"
Here are the graphs:
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Thanks DD! I'll wait for the experts to chime in but major props to Carsten for answering every email professionally even though he's crazy busy.
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Lenny has the graphs and is going to reprogram thhe flash according to the ic
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Here's a little analysis from elsewhere:

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What that graph is showing is for a given pressure drop, the Wagner intercooler flows more than stock. In other words, for a given flow rate, the Wagner intercooler has less of a pressure drop. For example, at 280 CFM, the Wagner intercooler has a pressure drop of 1.44 PSI while the OEM inter cooler has a pressure drop of 1.8, 25% more than the Wagner.
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Here's a little analysis from elsewhere:
Its more like 2% of diffrence ...
1.44/26.3 psi = 5% of drop and 1.8/26.3 psi = 7%....

2% is very small....

What is the drop of the IAT ?
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Its more like 2% of diffrence ...
1.44/26.3 psi = 5% of drop and 1.8/26.3 psi = 7%....

2% is very small....
Wrong. The quote has it correct, which is comparing the pressure loss for the 2 i/c's at the same flow rate, thus the comparison is valid. I'm not sure what you're computing.
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@ DSB335d sorry i did not post correctly as far as I am concerned it was only a TUNE do not know if IC was there but Lenny would of told me this before hand so its suffice to say that no aftermarket IC was in use!!
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Anyone tried to put these 335i or 335d wagners to 535d?

I know that it should fit there somehow, but since it's bolt-on kit with bolt-on prize it should be quite easy fitment or there is no point to ordered bolt-on kit.
It's sad that there is not bigger ic's to 535d on the market.
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