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      03-25-2013, 06:18 AM   #23
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So just so I'm clear, is there any benefits or downsides to going up a size for the Vredesteins then? Or is it just wheel protection? Is the ride any different?
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Wheel Protection is the reason.

I put 225/35 on the front and regret it, should have gone 235/35. I have to be very very careful of kerbs and they look a bit too 'euro' for my liking - stretched slightly, little rim protection. But I'm stuck for now!

265/30 on the back just look right and don't upset the speedo as fa as I can tell.

Comfort is markedly improved over runflats.

The tyres are excellent in the wet and dry - I chickened out around the beginning of December and put my winter wheels on so can't comment on winter use with them.

Tyre wear seems to be very good having done around 7k on them. NO inner wear - unlike the runflat Bodgestones I used to have.

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So just so I'm clear, is there any benefits or downsides to going up a size for the Vredesteins then? Or is it just wheel protection? Is the ride any different?
The upsizing of tyres really came about for a number of reasons:

Firstly Alpina who have never fitted runflats to their production models,used the larger sized tyres on their cars,the fronts were often 245/35 and rears were 265/30.
The Alpina's also run different suspension to the regular BMW's,so coupled with the larger tyres, the Alpina's were a much more compliant and focussed ride,much sharper with much more driver feedback.

To emulate the above people started to increase the tyre sizes,the fronts were more often the 235/35 and the rears were 265/30.

A very popular choice of tyre for any BMW was/is the Falken 452 (OK,this is a very debatable subject,but it was/is the case),the Falken 452 is not available in a 255/30 size,so people started to buy the larger size.

Another reason is that quite often tyres that are not OEM size are quite often cheaper than the OEM size,so it sometimes pays to go off size to save a few bob, and get more rubber for your money.

Anyway,back to your questions:

Benefits:
More rubber,more grip (not in the winter of course) arguably a better ride.
Better protection for the wheel rim.
Downsides:
Not sure I can think of any.

Given a choice between the 452 and the Vredestein,it's a no brainer for me -the Vreds,even though they are slightly more expensive.
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The upsizing of tyres really came about for a number of reasons:

Firstly Alpina who have never fitted runflats to their production models,used the larger sized tyres on their cars,the fronts were often 245/35 and rears were 265/30.
The Alpina's also run different suspension to the regular BMW's,so coupled with the larger tyres, the Alpina's were a much more compliant and focussed ride,much sharper with much more driver feedback.

To emulate the above people started to increase the tyre sizes,the fronts were more often the 235/35 and the rears were 265/30.

A very popular choice of tyre for any BMW was/is the Falken 452 (OK,this is a very debatable subject,but it was/is the case),the Falken 452 is not available in a 255/30 size,so people started to buy the larger size.

Another reason is that quite often tyres that are not OEM size are quite often cheaper than the OEM size,so it sometimes pays to go off size to save a few bob, and get more rubber for your money.

Anyway,back to your questions:

Benefits:
More rubber,more grip (not in the winter of course) arguably a better ride.
Better protection for the wheel rim.
Downsides:
Not sure I can think of any.

Given a choice between the 452 and the Vredestein,it's a no brainer for me -the Vreds,even though they are slightly more expensive.
Is there much of a difference visually from the side? I mean, I dont want them to look all tyre and no wheel if that makes sense.

Has anyone any pics of MV4 with 235 and 265 tyres? With spacers even?
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Very little difference

see the images below, they're big sorry..
You can see what I mean about the lack of rim protection on the front 225's versus the rear 265.

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Id recommend checking out lovetyres.com, picked up a set of Goodyear as2's there and they were a nice bit cheaper than cam skill.
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Right, I've decided I'm going for the Vredesteins. It was the tyre I wanted before the tread put me off but I know the tread is the least of my concerns when buying a tyre, I was just being fussy!

So I've had to upsize to 235 and 265 tyres and I'll have them ordered this week and fitted next weekend. I'll let you know how I get on.

Next up, wheels refurbed and spacers
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awsome thread its helped me decide what tyres im getting thanks everyone
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I certainly rate the Vreds,I found them very good all round especially in the wet.

Tread pattern is unusual, 275's:









You run the risk of rubbing by going up to '35' on the rear.

Go with either Vreds or Falkens in:

235/35/19 front
265/30/19 rear
the fact the tread goes different ways you would have though it would affect performance cause each tyre is working completely different
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the fact the tread goes different ways you would have though it would affect performance cause each tyre is working completely different
That was really the main point of me starting the thread. To me it looks like the drivers side tyre would push water under the car with the way the grooves are in the tyre.

I'm guessing not though from the sound of it!
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That was really the main point of me starting the thread. To me it looks like the drivers side tyre would push water under the car with the way the grooves are in the tyre.

I'm guessing not though from the sound of it!
yeh it really dont look right at all me and my dad were looking at it earlier and he was like thats not right at all.... hmmm got me thinking again now tbh, really really dont make sense that at all... cant see how it works cause there working against each other??
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I think your really over thinking things!! If you really think about it how can a 100 ton 747 made out of metal and carrying incredibly dangerous fuel actual 'fly'...just think about it, the wings don't even flap like a birds

But out of all seriousness I've never tried the vreds before but I'll have no problems getting them again when the time comes to replacing them.
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Im using them on my 335i. Fantastic!!
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I had sessanta's on my Lexus is250 Sport. Absolutely loved them, very good tyres. Greta in dry, very good in wet, quiet and look amazing. I was thinking of getting them for my BMW but I think the pattern design is a bit "too futuristic" looks wise for a BMW, on Lexus it looked great.
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was wondering if 275/30/19 tyres on a 9.5j rim would fit on the rear of a e90 with et27 offset as lookijng to order some vreds aswell
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My tyres are officially scrubbed in! And wow! The grip is phenomenal!!!
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was wondering if 275/30/19 tyres on a 9.5j rim would fit on the rear of a e90 with et27 offset as lookijng to order some vreds aswell
No worries on the E90,a definite no no on a E92.
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I'd be having a word with the insurance company before upsizing..

They're pretty clear that tyres have to be the same size, load and speed rating when you replace..

I spoke to my insurance with regarding removing runflats and fitting winters - they weren't bothered at all as long as they size, load and speed ratings were the same.

It's also got to be one of the easiest things to check too if it came to it.
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I'd be having a word with the insurance company before upsizing..

They're pretty clear that tyres have to be the same size, load and speed rating when you replace..

I spoke to my insurance with regarding removing runflats and fitting winters - they weren't bothered at all as long as they size, load and speed ratings were the same.

It's also got to be one of the easiest things to check too if it came to it.
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This is the same thing my insurance told me when I called to ask about removing RFT's.
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Fitted a set of the Ultracs today to replace the original Bridgestone RFTs. I know it's been said a hundred times but it's a different car! Ride much less jittery and none of the directional throws and tracking of the old tyres. Will give them plenty of time to scrub in (I read one forum saying 800 miles until they're at their best!) but really happy based on the 150 or so I did on them today.
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I'd be having a word with the insurance company before upsizing..

They're pretty clear that tyres have to be the same size, load and speed rating when you replace..

I spoke to my insurance with regarding removing runflats and fitting winters - they weren't bothered at all as long as they size, load and speed ratings were the same.

It's also got to be one of the easiest things to check too if it came to it.
Dragging up an old thread, but do any others have views on the above? Am planning to switch from run-flat 255/35/18 to non run-flat 265/35/18.

I hadn't even considered contacting the insurance before searching the forum, any one else discussed this with insurers?
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