E90Post
 


TireRack
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > NA Engine (non-turbo) / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications > Cooler weather and ticking engine woes...



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-26-2012, 08:59 AM   #1
AddictedToBavarian
My other ride is a Bianchi Infinito
 
AddictedToBavarian's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 328xi
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Jersey

Posts: 2,720
iTrader: (0)

Cooler weather and ticking engine woes...

Hey guys, temperatures dropped about 25 degrees around here aaannnnddd my ticking begins. I bought my car CPO 4/2011, lifters were changed 3 months before I bought it. In the summer there's absolutely no tick, as soon as cooler weather comes around it begins ticking. I just don't want to go back and get more stuff done, I have NO faith in dealerships. They've done the dumbest stuff to me.

Any of you guys just living with the problem?
AddictedToBavarian is offline   Portugal
0
Reply With Quote
      10-26-2012, 09:41 AM   #2
DESI4life10
Banned
 
DESI4life10's Avatar
 
Drives: Coding: Desi4life10@gmail.com
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: West of Toronto, Canada

Posts: 3,365
iTrader: (18)

Known issue that a new engine head has to be changed to remove the ticking sound.
DESI4life10 is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      10-26-2012, 09:46 AM   #3
keeedle
Second Lieutenant
 
keeedle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 E90
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Rochester, NY

Posts: 265
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW E90  [4.38]
Quote:
Originally Posted by AddictedToBavarian
Hey guys, temperatures dropped about 25 degrees around here aaannnnddd my ticking begins. I bought my car CPO 4/2011, lifters were changed 3 months before I bought it. In the summer there's absolutely no tick, as soon as cooler weather comes around it begins ticking. I just don't want to go back and get more stuff done, I have NO faith in dealerships. They've done the dumbest stuff to me.

Any of you guys just living with the problem?
It's just too costly to fix since my car is out of warranty. The stealership quoted me around 2-3k just to change the lifters. There is no mechanical problems only the ticking is annoying. I choose to live with it.
keeedle is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-28-2012, 08:33 PM   #4
JS-NA.E92
Major
 
JS-NA.E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 07' NA E92
Join Date: May 2012
Location: San Francisco, CA

Posts: 1,460
iTrader: (6)

I get it everytime I don't let my car warm up, but easy way to get rid of it as a temporary fix is just drive it till your car is at operating temperature.

I haven't had it come back for awhile now, so I just learn to live with it.
JS-NA.E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-28-2012, 10:36 PM   #5
mapleridge
Banned
 
Drives: E90 N52 AT
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC

Posts: 2,682
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by AddictedToBavarian View Post
Hey guys, temperatures dropped about 25 degrees around here aaannnnddd my ticking begins. I bought my car CPO 4/2011, lifters were changed 3 months before I bought it. In the summer there's absolutely no tick, as soon as cooler weather comes around it begins ticking. I just don't want to go back and get more stuff done, I have NO faith in dealerships. They've done the dumbest stuff to me.

Any of you guys just living with the problem?
If you are still under warranty just go to a trusted dealer and tell them. Like Desi said they should replace your head if the lifters were done previously.
mapleridge is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-29-2012, 06:04 AM   #6
Phil325i
Major
 
Phil325i's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 325i MSport Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK South East

Posts: 1,007
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
OP have you tried this?

2.pdf
__________________
E92 pre-LCI 325i - Ohlins R&T; H&R spacers; M3 strut brace; Meyle HD droplinks; BMS clutch stop; BMS CDV; RE g/box mounts; Saikoumichi OCC; K&N; Cyba scoops; BMW Perf Exhaust; M3 rear spoiler; LED Angels; BMW Perf black grille; CSL reps; SSDD carbon diffuser; Monster Wrap black roof
Phil325i is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      03-23-2013, 06:24 PM   #7
RyanBMW
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: 2008 BMW E92
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Dark Side

Posts: 48
iTrader: (0)

N52 engine is known to have a clicking noise when cold due to bad engineering. I have an 08 328i with only 55K miles and it does it, even when the engine is warm, sounds like a freaking Chevy. But I notice everything I change out the oil, it stops. I used to change my oil at 8K miles, and it seems like the older the oil, the louder the noise. So l have been changing my oil every 5K miles now. Next time pay attention after an oil change, you will see the ticking noise will be gone.
RyanBMW is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-24-2013, 09:48 AM   #8
1QuikWS6
No 55mph
 
1QuikWS6's Avatar
 
Drives: 09 E92 328iX N51 3-Stage
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Blitzburgh, PA

Posts: 4,197
iTrader: (78)

Garage List
They don't replace the heads anymore for this problem - they do the lifters and followers only...

And your engine has to have been made before a certain date - they check by looking at serial #'s on the engine.

My car does it only when it's very cold, I took it in, and they would do nothing, as they stated my serial #'s show that I already have the most updated parts
__________________
2009 328ix E92//SGM//ACS Roof Spoiler//MTech Aero Lip+Trunk Spoiler//M3 Side Skirts//CF Roundels+Grilles//M3 Novillo Interior//Perf Shift Lever+Boot//MPerf DCT Wheel//M3 GT3 eBrake Handle+Boot//ACS Pedals//M3 Mirrors//LCI Tails w/LUX Rev//DTEC V7 AE+MTec 6000K D1S+HPB HID 6000K Fogs//HPB LED Interior//RPI Scoops//CF Euro Airbox+Underhood Hsgs//K&N//BMW PE//MTech Rear Bumper-iS Sport Diffuser//CF Strut Brace//Vishnu OFT//BMW 193M's+Kumho 4X
1QuikWS6 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-24-2013, 11:01 AM   #9
cdgatti
Major
 
cdgatti's Avatar
 
Drives: e90 328i
Join Date: May 2011
Location: KY

Posts: 1,227
iTrader: (4)

My car did this when I first got it... cpo at 25K miles, I now have 55K and it doesn't do it anymore. It stopped when I started using lubro-moly oil additive. The stuff with the molybdenum additive, a tried and true friction reducer.
cdgatti is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-24-2013, 11:08 AM   #10
1QuikWS6
No 55mph
 
1QuikWS6's Avatar
 
Drives: 09 E92 328iX N51 3-Stage
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Blitzburgh, PA

Posts: 4,197
iTrader: (78)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdgatti View Post
My car did this when I first got it... cpo at 25K miles, I now have 55K and it doesn't do it anymore. It stopped when I started using lubro-moly oil additive. The stuff with the molybdenum additive, a tried and true friction reducer.
Didn't think it was a result of friction - though it was a result of cold weather, thick oil until warmup, yielding lack of proper oil flow to the hydraulic lifters combined with the internal design of the lifters?

Replacing the lifters & followers works most of the time, yet some state that the ticking eventually comes back
__________________
2009 328ix E92//SGM//ACS Roof Spoiler//MTech Aero Lip+Trunk Spoiler//M3 Side Skirts//CF Roundels+Grilles//M3 Novillo Interior//Perf Shift Lever+Boot//MPerf DCT Wheel//M3 GT3 eBrake Handle+Boot//ACS Pedals//M3 Mirrors//LCI Tails w/LUX Rev//DTEC V7 AE+MTec 6000K D1S+HPB HID 6000K Fogs//HPB LED Interior//RPI Scoops//CF Euro Airbox+Underhood Hsgs//K&N//BMW PE//MTech Rear Bumper-iS Sport Diffuser//CF Strut Brace//Vishnu OFT//BMW 193M's+Kumho 4X
1QuikWS6 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-24-2013, 03:36 PM   #11
cdgatti
Major
 
cdgatti's Avatar
 
Drives: e90 328i
Join Date: May 2011
Location: KY

Posts: 1,227
iTrader: (4)

The idea behind the lubro-moly is that it builds a layer of slippery molybdenum on all internal parts, including the upper valve train. So even the upper parts of the engine have lubrication in those critical few seconds at cold starts before the oil reaches up there. I don't doubt there may be an issue with the size of some oil galleries that prevent good flow till the oil thins, all I know is that for me I was able to severely reduce the knock to what I would call normal for any car by using this oil additive.
cdgatti is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-24-2013, 09:02 PM   #12
AddictedToBavarian
My other ride is a Bianchi Infinito
 
AddictedToBavarian's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 328xi
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Jersey

Posts: 2,720
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1QuikWS6 View Post
They don't replace the heads anymore for this problem - they do the lifters and followers only...

And your engine has to have been made before a certain date - they check by looking at serial #'s on the engine.

My car does it only when it's very cold, I took it in, and they would do nothing, as they stated my serial #'s show that I already have the most updated parts
How do you know that they aren't replacing heads anymore? Have anything solid to back that up? Thanks.
AddictedToBavarian is offline   Portugal
0
Reply With Quote
      03-24-2013, 11:11 PM   #13
kamek
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 328xi 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Queens, NY

Posts: 3,172
iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2008 BMW 328xi  [4.10]
Send a message via AIM to kamek
Just deal with it. I've had this fixed under warranty multiple times and it always came back.
__________________

E92 328xi | KW | AA | LUX | OEM 359M | BMW Performance Exhaust
kamek is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 12:19 AM   #14
1QuikWS6
No 55mph
 
1QuikWS6's Avatar
 
Drives: 09 E92 328iX N51 3-Stage
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Blitzburgh, PA

Posts: 4,197
iTrader: (78)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by AddictedToBavarian View Post
How do you know that they aren't replacing heads anymore? Have anything solid to back that up? Thanks.
Yup, took my car to dealer to have them check if it was covered - asked them if I had to go thru the routine of 1st having the lifters replaced, then come back in again when that didn't work to have the head replaced - which is just plain stupid.

They stated that NO, the instructions don't call for replacement of the head anymore - just replace the lifters & followers in one visit and that's it...

Frankly, I really don't want service tech's tearing my engine apart to replace the head just to get rid of an annoying noise at only very cold temps anyway.

My car only did it once or twice upon initial startup when it was 16 deg out.

And it was not covered - the serial #'s on my engine showed it had the most updated parts available.

So just goes to show you that even with the updated parts you will get the ticking from time to time.
__________________
2009 328ix E92//SGM//ACS Roof Spoiler//MTech Aero Lip+Trunk Spoiler//M3 Side Skirts//CF Roundels+Grilles//M3 Novillo Interior//Perf Shift Lever+Boot//MPerf DCT Wheel//M3 GT3 eBrake Handle+Boot//ACS Pedals//M3 Mirrors//LCI Tails w/LUX Rev//DTEC V7 AE+MTec 6000K D1S+HPB HID 6000K Fogs//HPB LED Interior//RPI Scoops//CF Euro Airbox+Underhood Hsgs//K&N//BMW PE//MTech Rear Bumper-iS Sport Diffuser//CF Strut Brace//Vishnu OFT//BMW 193M's+Kumho 4X
1QuikWS6 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 05:06 AM   #15
Phil325i
Major
 
Phil325i's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 325i MSport Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK South East

Posts: 1,007
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
I assume you've tried this..?

Ticking noise cure.pdf
__________________
E92 pre-LCI 325i - Ohlins R&T; H&R spacers; M3 strut brace; Meyle HD droplinks; BMS clutch stop; BMS CDV; RE g/box mounts; Saikoumichi OCC; K&N; Cyba scoops; BMW Perf Exhaust; M3 rear spoiler; LED Angels; BMW Perf black grille; CSL reps; SSDD carbon diffuser; Monster Wrap black roof
Phil325i is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 06:46 AM   #16
WOT Bimmer
Lieutenant
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Ohio

Posts: 515
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by AddictedToBavarian View Post
Hey guys, temperatures dropped about 25 degrees around here aaannnnddd my ticking begins. I bought my car CPO 4/2011, lifters were changed 3 months before I bought it. In the summer there's absolutely no tick, as soon as cooler weather comes around it begins ticking. I just don't want to go back and get more stuff done, I have NO faith in dealerships. They've done the dumbest stuff to me.

Any of you guys just living with the problem?
Yes I had this problem. It didn't tick every time, but when it did it was usually very loud.

I ran 10w-30 Castrol Full Synthetic in mine, and the dealer suggested trying 5w-30 to see if that would help the ticking. I was experiencing a lot of ticking about two months ago (probably the cold), so I went ahead and did an oil change with the 5w-30 and haven't had an issue since. I will occasionally hear a little bit right at start up, but it disappears within 2 seconds.

The tech at the dealer did tell me that the lifter tick you hear is not harming the vehicle in any way. Not sure about how accurate that is. Nevertheless, the ticking is enough to drive you nuts, damage or no damage.
WOT Bimmer is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-25-2013, 04:15 PM   #17
AddictedToBavarian
My other ride is a Bianchi Infinito
 
AddictedToBavarian's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 328xi
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Jersey

Posts: 2,720
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil325i View Post
I assume you've tried this..?

Attachment 836293
Yea, I've seen that, never tried it myself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1QuikWS6 View Post
Yup, took my car to dealer to have them check if it was covered - asked them if I had to go thru the routine of 1st having the lifters replaced, then come back in again when that didn't work to have the head replaced - which is just plain stupid.

They stated that NO, the instructions don't call for replacement of the head anymore - just replace the lifters & followers in one visit and that's it...

Frankly, I really don't want service tech's tearing my engine apart to replace the head just to get rid of an annoying noise at only very cold temps anyway.

My car only did it once or twice upon initial startup when it was 16 deg out.

And it was not covered - the serial #'s on my engine showed it had the most updated parts available.

So just goes to show you that even with the updated parts you will get the ticking from time to time.
Oh ok, yea I have it occasionally, not nearly enough to let someone tear apart my engine to fix! Lol. Thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kamek View Post
Just deal with it. I've had this fixed under warranty multiple times and it always came back.
Oh yea, I don't care anymore either. This is actually an old thread someone revived. I'm over the ticking. It happens at times in the cold, but whatever.
AddictedToBavarian is offline   Portugal
0
Reply With Quote
      03-26-2013, 04:19 PM   #18
AlanAZ
Captain
 
AlanAZ's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i sport manual
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

Posts: 793
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kd8ksn View Post
I ran 10w-30 Castrol Full Synthetic in mine, and the dealer suggested trying 5w-30 to see if that would help the ticking. I was experiencing a lot of ticking about two months ago (probably the cold), so I went ahead and did an oil change with the 5w-30 and haven't had an issue since. I will occasionally hear a little bit right at start up, but it disappears within 2 seconds.
If that's the case, then going to 0W30 Castrol (GC) would help further, especially in colder climates.

It's also worth noting that the oil BMW uses in Germany, and the oil the engine was designed with, is 0W30. Not the 5W30 that BMW uses in North America (due to the high sulfur gas we have here.)

Last edited by AlanAZ; 03-26-2013 at 08:27 PM.
AlanAZ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-26-2013, 07:58 PM   #19
E90X
Private
 
Drives: 2008 328xi
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Chicago

Posts: 56
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DESI4life10
Known issue that a new engine head has to be changed to remove the ticking sound.
+1
E90X is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-27-2013, 03:32 PM   #20
AlanAZ
Captain
 
AlanAZ's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i sport manual
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

Posts: 793
iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by E90X View Post
+1
So you've had the head replaced? Please tell us more.
AlanAZ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-29-2013, 03:21 PM   #21
BradZditosky
Second Lieutenant
 
BradZditosky's Avatar
 
Drives: Saphire Black 2008 328i Coupe
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Indiana

Posts: 254
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW 328i  [4.83]
Thats odd, because i just took my car in and got the lifters and rockers replaced and they told me that if the ticking noise does come back to bring the car back to them and they will replace the head.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1QuikWS6 View Post
Yup, took my car to dealer to have them check if it was covered - asked them if I had to go thru the routine of 1st having the lifters replaced, then come back in again when that didn't work to have the head replaced - which is just plain stupid.

They stated that NO, the instructions don't call for replacement of the head anymore - just replace the lifters & followers in one visit and that's it...

Frankly, I really don't want service tech's tearing my engine apart to replace the head just to get rid of an annoying noise at only very cold temps anyway.

My car only did it once or twice upon initial startup when it was 16 deg out.

And it was not covered - the serial #'s on my engine showed it had the most updated parts available.

So just goes to show you that even with the updated parts you will get the ticking from time to time.
__________________

18" Style 197 Rims - M3 Spoiler - Aero Lip - Shadowline Trim - Black Kidney grills - 30% Tint - Tinted Taillights - White LED Front Turn Signals & Side Makers & Fog Lights - 20W CREE Angle Eye Bulbs - Active Autowerke Signature Exhaust - 3-stage Conversion - Air Scoops - aFe Stage-2 Si Intake - AA Tune - H&R Wheel Spacers - Eibach Springs
BradZditosky is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-29-2013, 03:58 PM   #22
mecbain
Private First Class
 
Drives: e90 330i
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Montreal, Canada

Posts: 112
iTrader: (0)

same here, I think it's normal when cold, as a lot of other cars well, noticed gaz quality seems to have an impact, could just be in my head as well.
mecbain is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:30 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST