E90Post
 


ECS BMW
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > Off-Topic Discussions Board > Politics/Religion > How the Feds are Conning You



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-02-2013, 12:59 AM   #67
ScarecrowBoat
Zooombie attaaack!!
 
ScarecrowBoat's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 328i
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Iowa

Posts: 854
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2012 BMW  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mss396 View Post
Yeah they did or we wouldn't be where we are today as a country.
Hard to argue with such an articulate argument. From Alabama I see?
__________________
12 BMW 328i
08 Range Rover Sport SC
ScarecrowBoat is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-02-2013, 09:20 AM   #68
bbbbmw
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Southwest

Posts: 356
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarecrowBoat View Post
Hard to argue with such an articulate argument. From Alabama I see?
I believe he meant "yes, our forefathers actually did 'have it together', as they set the stage for our country to become the world leader we are today."

Hoping this will provide an erudite clarification for someone from... Iowa?

bbbbmw is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-02-2013, 12:03 PM   #69
UncleWede
Long Time Admirer, First Time Owner
 
UncleWede's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i Arctic
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Oxnard, CA

Posts: 2,272
iTrader: (0)

the "solutions" presented by politicians are intended to gain votes, not solve problems.

End of discussion right there, unfortunately.

Matt,
While FWA is only small % of any particular human-based federal government issue, when we add up all those it turns into something more. One single example:I don't work in the public housing department, but have an office there. These people roll in with 22s on their Escalade, but can't be troubled to put on anything more than house slippers, then complain when they are told the waiting period is 5-6 years for housing. Every time they show up, same car. "Oh, that's not mine, it's my mom's" Prove it, let them run those plates. If your mom is so set, SHE should be giving you a boost, not the taxpayers. These are able-bodied adults who have better phones than I.

Now, because these lazy people want to game the system, when I hear some woman trying to truly escape from an abusive relationship by getting a hand up, she can't. No emergency housing available.

I'm mostly conservative, rgistered non-partisan, and give a lot of time to charitable organizations. Many of these entiltlements are regularly ABUSED to an incredible degree.

The other big one is this idea that we should be the world's police. At a time, we did have the financial resources to do this. IT seems from the crisis we are in now, we really need to refocus back in our own backyard. Many countries are also struglling, but can we really afford to continue the current levels of foreign aide?
UncleWede is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-22-2013, 03:23 PM   #70
lsmkr01
Major
 
lsmkr01's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E92 M3
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Columbia, SC

Posts: 1,433
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy H. View Post
“I feel” and “I think”, doesn’t cut it. Give me a break!



So what’s your point?


Meaningless, unsubstantiated, and aimless.

Here we go again with the, “I think” perspective. Clearly, you do not see the fact that this president has no desire to implement a budget. Five years into his presidency with a 17 TRILLION dollar national debt obligation and a 1 trillion dollar budget deficit with no budget yet. And all he continues to do is campaign for his increased spending and play golf!

“When you throw actual dollar amounts into your argument, you weaken it.” Whew! Really? Again, clearly your unfounded opinion. Sheesh! It's just $17 TRILLION. No biggy, right Mmcnutly?!?

“Debt is measured by "honest economists" as a % of GDP, and you take into account inflation”

Our gross debt to GDP Ratio is 106%. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Ask any honest economist or any business or financial analyst if this is healthy!

“Odds are the next one will be even bigger, regardless of party.”

Obama has added more to our national debt than all presidents before him combined. This is a fact. So, you are diminishing this by SPECULATING that it’s okay because the next president will spend even more? Wow! It is evident that you believe the BS line, that all the liberal progressives spew to their ignorant constituents for support, “we need to invest more in…”. Liberal translation for investing: Borrow and spend.



I need a shovel. It’s getting really deep in here!

You are actually equating all the Federal Government waste as though it’s inconsequential minutia or to that of leaving a light on when no one is occupying the room. Wow! Really? Mmcnutly, help us all out here and specify any government entity that is running lean, mean, profitable, offers value to the folks and isn’t broke.

Okay, here we go with the liberal progressive talking points of bashing the oil companies. And I bet you aren’t driving an electric car either! If you don’t like it then stop using petroleum based products. Or, don’t invest in a hedge fund. You make the choice!

But it is okay, from your perspective, that California Alameda County executive Susan Muranishi will be doing just fine when she retires on $470,000 a year for life and even getting performance bonuses to boot when she’s no longer performing! At least the folks are getting something for what they are paying for from the oil companies. Oh, here’s one, I wonder why California Berkeley City Councilman Gordon Wozniak wants to tax emails. Suggesting that the money collected, which would be part of a wider-reaching internet tax, could be used in Berkeley’s case to save the local post office!?!

Hey Mmcnutly, why is the U.S. Post Office broke in the first place? Why is UPS, DHL, FedEx, etc. profitable? Mmcnutly, please enlighten us on why you think/feel/speculate that California is $164 billion dollars in Debt?

They will never be able to pay it back! And while you are at it, please let us know your thoughts on why there is a mass exodus of folks from California to states like Texas (and I pray they do not bring their liberal ideology with them).

You must not be paying your fair share of taxes, mmcnutly! C’mon, man up! Sheesh!!!! Hey man, we’re only 17 trillion in debt and running a 1 trillion dollar budget deficit. Right, Mmcnutly? No biggy.

Oh BTW, following your oil company logic, then we should all stop going to the movies because the movie stars are hoarding millions of dollars in profit instead of equally distributing it among all the other folks who were employed to help make the movie. “Apalling”.



C’mon Mmcnutly, use that space between your ears and think it through. Also, just a helpful tip, if you stop watching the liberal progressive main stream biased news and listening to Nancy Pelosi you will have a better opportunity to think outside the box.

Taxes as a % of GDP are at an all-time low because the economy is in the crapper with 8% unemployment (double digit when you factor in all those who have stopped looking). The U.S. has the highest corporate tax structure over any other developed country in the world.

Mmcnutly, why do you think U.S. companies are hoarding cash, running on the least amount of employees and not hiring and growing?

Obviously tax revenue would be higher if the economy was thriving. C’mon dude, Econ 101.



This is simply more meaningless, unsubstantiated and aimless comments. I particularly like the use of, “stuff”. It solidifies your point very well.



You are saying that “right-wing peoples” belief in fiscal responsibility, financial independence, freedom from government tyranny is as bad as the liberal progressives who embrace the belief that the Government can do better for you than you can do for yourself? The same folks who want European socialism, entitlement (nanny) state, no budget or spending limits, and ignore fiscal responsibility?

Take a good hard look at our country, mmcnutly. Do you like what you see?



The majority embrace smaller government, financial independence and personal responsibility. They enjoy taking the initiative that is reinforced with reward of personal success, achievment and financial freedom. This is the very essence of what made our country so great.

Sadly, this majority is not far off from becoming the minority. Our current administration has done an exceptional job at getting more people addicted to entitlements. And, it is difficult to get them off once they’ve embraced it. Think about it. An individual earning $50,000 a year after taxes nets less take home pay than a comparable individual on welfare. What would you do?

Mmcnutly, what can you glean from Greece, Ireland, Italy, Spain or Portugal? Do they offer you any insight? What about Cyprus?

Can you glean any comparisons here?

Oh yeah, our nation’s financial situation is "comparable to one leaving a light on while no one is in the room". Oh Sorry, man. I forgot your perspective on that.



I’ve been very specific since the inception of this thread. However, you are hypocritical to ask me to be specific when you fail to do the same.

Who is repeating Fox News talking points? It doesn’t matter where you get your news as long as you question, challenge and verify everything. Am I wrong?
You Sir have took all the words right out of my mouth. I'm so sick of the typical liberal BS that is a mile wide yet as deep as a puddle.

Bravo
lsmkr01 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-28-2013, 02:39 AM   #71
M3Denver
Lieutenant
 
M3Denver's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 BMW M3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Denver CO

Posts: 423
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbbbmw View Post
I believe he meant "yes, our forefathers actually did 'have it together', as they set the stage for our country to become the world leader we are today."

Hoping this will provide an erudite clarification for someone from... Iowa?

lol touche, round 2 ... fight!!
M3Denver is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-28-2013, 07:45 AM   #72
Ahmed
Private First Class
 
Ahmed's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 C63 AMG
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Bahrain

Posts: 130
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
1999 BMW M5  [0.50]
Yaaaaaaaaaaawn
__________________
2013 Mercedes Benz C63 AMG
2009 Lexus GS460

Ahmed is offline   Bahrain
0
Reply With Quote
      07-13-2013, 07:51 PM   #73
MTrezzz
Lieutenant
 
Drives: Lime Rock Edition
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Long Island

Posts: 558
iTrader: (0)

My biggest complaint about this country, is that our taxes are ridiculously high.
2nd my father is a dentist and the other day while working at the office, i examined a person "not going to pin point a race" but they have welfare & medicare, which they claimed to be poor. while looking at her baby's carrier, i see a LV bag along with a Mercedes key ( which was the newer ones ) and since i am a car enthusiast, i think to my self, how do you claim to be poor and have government help to the max, but yet you can afford a mercedes? doesn't make sense, plus i've seen this multiple times.... So with the money they receive from the government is to pay for their luxuries, rather than other important needs? something doesn't make sense to me...

tax tax tax tax tax tax.... that all they know how to do in this country. . . . .
MTrezzz is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-16-2013, 05:08 PM   #74
Z4inAZ
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: Z4 2.5 03
Join Date: May 2013
Location: United States

Posts: 222
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MTrezzz View Post
My biggest complaint about this country, is that our taxes are ridiculously high.
If you think our taxes are bad, move to Canada
Or Europe

Or any other first world country...
Z4inAZ is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-16-2013, 05:12 PM   #75
MTrezzz
Lieutenant
 
Drives: Lime Rock Edition
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Long Island

Posts: 558
iTrader: (0)

I have a home in turkey Istanbul, taxes ain't high-___- as in the US
MTrezzz is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      08-31-2013, 11:06 AM   #76
bmw325i
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 2006 BMW 325i
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: United States

Posts: 3,538
iTrader: (5)

Well we spend more money on our military than any other country in the world. 40% of the world's military spending comes from the U.S. The U.S. and its allies are responsible 2/3 - 3/4 of the world's defense spending. Why do we have to spend more money than the next 20 countries combined? Is it really that much more dangerous here than in other parts of the world? Sure we piss alot of people off, but I don't think we would be in any real danger even with drastic cuts to military spending. China is #2 in military spending and they spend 6 times less than us.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1746685.html
bmw325i is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-26-2013, 11:56 PM   #77
P1et
Colonel
 
P1et's Avatar
 
Drives: '11 X5 | '11 135i
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Texas

Posts: 2,507
iTrader: (1)

Is the Marocco thing real?
P1et is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 03:41 PM   #78
M3Denver
Lieutenant
 
M3Denver's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 BMW M3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Denver CO

Posts: 423
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw325i
Well we spend more money on our military than any other country in the world. 40% of the world's military spending comes from the U.S. The U.S. and its allies are responsible 2/3 - 3/4 of the world's defense spending. Why do we have to spend more money than the next 20 countries combined? Is it really that much more dangerous here than in other parts of the world? Sure we piss alot of people off, but I don't think we would be in any real danger even with drastic cuts to military spending. China is #2 in military spending and they spend 6 times less than us.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1746685.html
China is interesting considering their low lost o labor, their money has a forced low value, and they own a ton of us dollars on top they can spend. What China is doing should give the world pause.
M3Denver is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      12-05-2013, 01:21 PM   #79
reelop19
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2006 325i
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Orlando, FL

Posts: 273
iTrader: (0)

If you don't know the government is screwing you and you are of voting age then you are the reason their should be a test to vote such as the test given to immigrants when they become citizens (helped my wife study for it so I know what it is). The state of affairs this country is in says a lot about the voting public.
__________________
I once heard a billionaire say "if it flies, floats, or fucks it's cheaper to rent."
reelop19 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      12-05-2013, 08:57 PM   #80
Andy H.
Second Lieutenant
 
Andy H.'s Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 535i M Sport
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: San Antonio, TX

Posts: 295
iTrader: (1)

Amen.
__________________
LIVE FREE OR DIE
Andy H. is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      12-06-2013, 01:08 AM   #81
M3Denver
Lieutenant
 
M3Denver's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 BMW M3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Denver CO

Posts: 423
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by reelop19
If you don't know the government is screwing you and you are of voting age then you are the reason their should be a test to vote such as the test given to immigrants when they become citizens (helped my wife study for it so I know what it is). The state of affairs this country is in says a lot about the voting public.
Suggestion enact laws like in the movie purge
M3Denver is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      12-15-2013, 04:47 PM   #82
NemesisX
Captain
 
Drives: '08 335i
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: TX

Posts: 770
iTrader: (0)

Economists actually don't know much of anything. It's a soft, unfalsifiable (and therefore virtually useless) science.
NemesisX is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-01-2014, 07:31 PM   #83
fischer
New Member
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Mountains

Posts: 8
iTrader: (0)

in my

In my perception Obama will make the US more social like Germany and many parts of Europe. That is Bullshit. For an US-man who have the Spirit of an real American it is absurd and stupid. I can tell it to you, that is not how you wanna live. The social european System will go down in the next two or three decades and than we are the third-world-country.

There are so many issues which become every day more problematic. But the EU do not realize it and that´s why everything is going down. Perhabs not today but in two or three decades the EU (or the most of the countries in the EU) will be a third world country. Every year we have to pay more and more taxes. No one can pay anymore taxes, but they still increasing.
Maybe you can calm down and see that at last the europe has the problem and not the US.
fischer is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      03-27-2014, 11:43 PM   #84
128Convertibleguy
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2010 128 Covertible
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Mountains

Posts: 158
iTrader: (0)

Smile

It's funny how people have been conned. By conservatives and their tame press, aka Fox News. The idea that we're a high tax country is silly wrong.

The US has one of the lowest tax rates among the advanced democracies. It gets tricky to compare because various countries have various schemes of rates for various people. But here's a simple way to cut through all that to see it. Taxes as a percentage of the total economy. Otherwise you're just complaining about _your_ taxes, and that's hardly an objective view. Here's the objective view.

"The Numbers: How do U.S. taxes compare internationally"

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brief...ernational.cfm

Personally I file my income tax every year with a smile on my face. Considering where I get to live, taxes are pretty much the biggest bargain in my life. But, if you want lower taxes, study the graph above, and go live in Chile or Turkey or Mexico. Have fun, but I doubt you'll be making BMW level money.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MTrezzz View Post
I have a home in turkey Istanbul, taxes ain't high-___- as in the US
Correct.

It's a trifle annoying that so much of my taxes goes to fund a vastly bloated military that (the bloated part) does little except to encourage our leaders to start idiotic wars, sending our extraordinarily noble and brave soldiers off to fight and die for nothing very worthwhile. The idea that we could permanently "fix" Iraq and Afghanistan by sending troops was and is stupid. In the long run those countries are gonna do what they're gonna do. Taking out Iraq's army made their long time enemy Iran _much_ stronger. A strategic foreign policy blunder that was easily predictable, and dead certain.

Last edited by 128Convertibleguy; 03-27-2014 at 11:58 PM.
128Convertibleguy is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-31-2014, 11:52 PM   #85
bbbbmw
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Southwest

Posts: 356
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 128Convertibleguy View Post
It's funny how people have been conned. By conservatives and their tame press, aka Fox News. The idea that we're a high tax country is silly wrong.

The US has one of the lowest tax rates among the advanced democracies. It gets tricky to compare because various countries have various schemes of rates for various people. But here's a simple way to cut through all that to see it. Taxes as a percentage of the total economy. Otherwise you're just complaining about _your_ taxes, and that's hardly an objective view. Here's the objective view.

"The Numbers: How do U.S. taxes compare internationally"

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brief...ernational.cfm

Personally I file my income tax every year with a smile on my face. Considering where I get to live, taxes are pretty much the biggest bargain in my life. But, if you want lower taxes, study the graph above, and go live in Chile or Turkey or Mexico. Have fun, but I doubt you'll be making BMW level money.

Correct.

It's a trifle annoying that so much of my taxes goes to fund a vastly bloated military that (the bloated part) does little except to encourage our leaders to start idiotic wars, sending our extraordinarily noble and brave soldiers off to fight and die for nothing very worthwhile. The idea that we could permanently "fix" Iraq and Afghanistan by sending troops was and is stupid. In the long run those countries are gonna do what they're gonna do. Taking out Iraq's army made their long time enemy Iran _much_ stronger. A strategic foreign policy blunder that was easily predictable, and dead certain.
I believe the complaints of high taxes in the US are specific to Corporate tax rates, not individual tax rates. Our corporate tax rates are the highest in the world, at 39.1% - compared to other OECD countries, where the average is 25%. Even when accounting for corporate tax deductions, we still have the highest rate of taxes paid:

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/anothe...ax-rates-world

This is constantly cited as a reason US Corporations send jobs and investment overseas - like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. stashing billions in overseas accounts to avoid US Corporate tax.

As far as your military analysis, it was also a strategic blunder to let Iran develop nuclear weapons.

Maybe you should listen more closely to Fox News and conservatives?
__________________
<OO (llll)(llll) OO>
bbbbmw is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-01-2014, 12:16 AM   #86
128Convertibleguy
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2010 128 Covertible
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Mountains

Posts: 158
iTrader: (0)

Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbbbmw View Post
I believe the complaints of high taxes in the US are specific to Corporate tax rates, not individual tax rates. Our corporate tax rates are the highest in the world, at 39.1% - compared to other OECD countries, where the average is 25%.

As far as your military analysis, it was also a strategic blunder to let Iran develop nuclear weapons.

Maybe you should listen more closely to Fox News and conservatives?
Once again, your numbers just don't hold up. Tax rates are misleading because no one pays that. Any "calculations" of "effective" tax rates are subjective. Your source (the "Tax Foundation") is highly political.

Its current chairman was a high ranking executive at Eli Lilly. Other recent directors have been former high level executives from such places as Koch Industries, Exxon Mobil, etc. etc. They have also held high ranking positions in the Bush and Reagan administration. A more descriptive name would be the "anti-Tax Foundation". Objective it ain't.

Once again, an objective comparison is readily available. Corporate tax as a percentage of GDP. Solid numbers are available, and the calculation is simple and objective. Needless to say, our corporate tax burden is one of the lowest of the advanced democracies.

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/t...accessItemIds=

If you prefer, here's the full picture, all taxes as a percent of GDP.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...value&sort=asc

One of the least taxed advanced democracies, no matter how you (objectively) look at it.

How exactly would you have liked us to "prevent" Iran from developing nuclear capability? Sacrifice more of our incredibly brave soldiers in yet another stupid war? Nuke 'em? Using Iraq to keep them occupied was much less costly for us. Until we removed that threat.

I think you need to spend less time with the overtly political Faux News. Roger Ailes started it as a political tool, and it has never wavered from that purpose. "Fair and balanced" is a joke.

And spend more time dealing with objective facts. They're easy enough to find.

Last edited by 128Convertibleguy; 04-01-2014 at 12:32 AM.
128Convertibleguy is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-01-2014, 06:10 PM   #87
bbbbmw
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Southwest

Posts: 356
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 128Convertibleguy View Post
Once again, your numbers just don't hold up. Tax rates are misleading because no one pays that. Any "calculations" of "effective" tax rates are subjective. Your source (the "Tax Foundation") is highly political.

Its current chairman was a high ranking executive at Eli Lilly. Other recent directors have been former high level executives from such places as Koch Industries, Exxon Mobil, etc. etc. They have also held high ranking positions in the Bush and Reagan administration. A more descriptive name would be the "anti-Tax Foundation". Objective it ain't.

Once again, an objective comparison is readily available. Corporate tax as a percentage of GDP. Solid numbers are available, and the calculation is simple and objective. Needless to say, our corporate tax burden is one of the lowest of the advanced democracies.

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/t...accessItemIds=

If you prefer, here's the full picture, all taxes as a percent of GDP.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...value&sort=asc

One of the least taxed advanced democracies, no matter how you (objectively) look at it.

How exactly would you have liked us to "prevent" Iran from developing nuclear capability? Sacrifice more of our incredibly brave soldiers in yet another stupid war? Nuke 'em? Using Iraq to keep them occupied was much less costly for us. Until we removed that threat.

I think you need to spend less time with the overtly political Faux News. Roger Ailes started it as a political tool, and it has never wavered from that purpose. "Fair and balanced" is a joke.

And spend more time dealing with objective facts. They're easy enough to find.
I don't believe it is as simple as comparing corporate tax revenue to GDP - not sure how corporate taxes in China, for example, would compare with ours, as the government owns a huge amount of the means of production. And in other countries, corporations don't pay the 7.5% employer contribution to social security.

Maybe Obama should stop watching Fox News - he's saying the same thing:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...orate-tax-rat/

And Bill Clinton - he's always been in Roger Ailes' pocket:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58275.html

When Iran started saber-rattling, Reagan sank their navy in a 24-hour period. That shut them up for quite some time.
__________________
<OO (llll)(llll) OO>
bbbbmw is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-01-2014, 11:41 PM   #88
128Convertibleguy
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2010 128 Covertible
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Mountains

Posts: 158
iTrader: (0)

Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbbbmw View Post
I don't believe it is as simple as comparing corporate tax revenue to GDP.
Nothing else makes any sense at all. Tax rates are meaningless. Total taxes are meaningless. Somehow, you have to compare the amount of tax revenue to the size of the economy. Nothing else makes any sense, unless you're trying to grind a political axe. Your suggestion is?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbbbmw View Post
Maybe Obama should stop watching Fox News - he's saying the same thing:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...orate-tax-rat/

And Bill Clinton - he's always been in Roger Ailes' pocket:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58275.html

When Iran started saber-rattling, Reagan sank their navy in a 24-hour period. That shut them up for quite some time.
Both Obama and Clinto were referring to tax rates. Their point was that the system was too complex, placing the burden of corporate taxes on smaller companies who can not play the game as well as large ones. You actually think they were talking about reducing tax revenue? That would make them good guys in your eyes. But it was just about lowering the rates while removing deductions, etc. Not lowering taxes, just making the system more fair. To quote Clinton from the article you cited:

"... we should cut the rate to 25 percent, or whatever’s competitive, and eliminate a lot of the deductions so that we still get a fair amount, and there’s not so much variance in what the corporations pay."

The idea that Reagan "sank Iran's navy" is yet another right wing con job that's been played on you. In retaliation for an attack, the US Navy sank 3 gunboats. We were trading shots with Iran throughout that period, but it hardly shut Iran up. It only served as _incentive_ for them to pursue nuclear weapons. To this day Iran sees nuclear weapons as their only protection against us.

Reagan gave them even more incentive. The most serious damage he did do was to shoot down an Iranian airliner, supposedly mistaking it for a fighter jet. I guess our air systems were so bad they couldn't tell the difference between an Airbus A300 with 290 civilians on board, and an F-14.

So, far from deterring Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons, Reagan's actions spurred them on. Got any more ideas?

Last edited by 128Convertibleguy; 04-02-2014 at 12:05 AM.
128Convertibleguy is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:26 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST