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      09-13-2013, 02:59 PM   #1
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Is BMW liable

Very sad. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ia-school.html
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      09-13-2013, 03:06 PM   #2
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Ummmmmmmm what? No way.

That story seems fishy, of course the media is quick to blame BMW. How about blaming the brother for leaving the girl inside?

And really a 14 year old girl was not able to scream or bang on the windows? And this was in a high school parking lot? Something is missing from this story.
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      09-13-2013, 03:07 PM   #3
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who locks their sister in the car and goes to class? more importantly, why not leave her a key? and another point what teenager trusts a younger sibling to sit in their car and not screw with anything? something seems amiss to me...
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Lol the article said the horn is defective because it does not work without keys.

Smh
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      09-13-2013, 03:13 PM   #5
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The daily mail is all bullshit. Jeremy Clarkson is always tweeting about how nothing they post is accurate. They always write stuff saying he went somewhere or did something when he didn't.
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I noticed that the horn in my e36 doesn't work when it's not on. I haven't tried in my e92.

I don't really understand how she couldn't get someones attention or at least break a window. I would think that you would be aware of the situation that you're in and adrenaline would start kicking in. Had she gotten on her back and kicked at the window I feel like she should have been able to break the glass

Anyway, definitely not the fault of the car.
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The daily mail is all bullshit. Jeremy Clarkson is always tweeting about how nothing they post is accurate. They always write stuff saying he went somewhere or did something when he didn't.
I wouldn't exactly call Clarkson a font of journalistic integrity either, but he is right. Daily Mail is complete and utter bosh.
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      09-13-2013, 03:34 PM   #8
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horns have been electric for a long time now. thats why they wont work without the car being "on" at least accessory mode.

so sad that the girl passed away like that. whether maliciously or innocently RIP
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Most horns work even with the IGN isn't on. I'm not sure about BMWs. Also, breaking the window isn't as easy as some might think.
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A sad and horrifying story. If there was nothing "fishy" about it that brother will be tortured by this for the rest of his life.

It says a lot about our society that that is the first conclusion people make when reading such a story.

Perhaps the girl was too worried about damaging her brothers car to try to break the window? By the time she realized how serious the situation was she was probably too weak to break the window. It takes a lot more force than you would think to break a car window by hand. That is one of the reasons they sell those little emergency hammers to break the glass if needed.
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Most horns work even with the IGN isn't on. I'm not sure about BMWs. Also, breaking the window isn't as easy as some might think.
I think I've had only one car out of the four I have owned where the horn worked with the key off (not in the ACC or IGN postion). My 2009 335i's horn does not.
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I think I've had only one car out of the four I have owned where the horn worked with the key off (not in the ACC or IGN postion). My 2009 335i's horn does not.
All the non-German cars I've had worked with key off. That's interesting.
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Sadly, don't know about the E36, but in my car it's confirmed the horn doesn't work with the engine off... I was surprised (and a bit frustrated and almost embarrassed when I was waiting in a parking lot for a friend a few nights ago and found out the hard way), but still some sad stuff...

I still don't understand how all 4 locks can be faulty at the same time; like others said this is probably not the fault of BMW itself. It's either neglecting to maintain a car that is obviously out of warranty and therefore out of BMW's hands (which like most high schooler's 10+ year old cars probably has a whole handful of other problems or not knowing how/when to fix issues), and like the news article said the sister may have fallen asleep, had a heat stroke mid-rest and passed out before having a chance/strength to try to free herself. Either way, it's sad what happened and my prayers do go out to the family.

*EDIT* I know that this reply is almost a year old, but I was sorting through subscriptions and found this, but I might as well put it here for those who Google this exact issue... Not sure about the E36 on this subject either, but now I noticed that inside latches disengage once you lock the doors via keyless entry, which is apparently a safety feature that prevents people from reaching in and opening the handle to steal your car, but also a bigger PITA for people like AAA to unlock your car too.

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The story is already reported by other newssources

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/13...car-in-school/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/calif...d-car-20251605

So this is not about Dailymail and their BS anymore. The Dailymail's bit about the car "boiling" is not repeated though. Other sources just say that it was the heat from the sun on a hot day.

The matter of her brother being responsible for leaving her inside the car does not apply, of course, considering that she was a competent 14 year old.

BTW, in this very forum we get people asking from time to time "why my rear doors don't open from inside" only to discover that they inadvertently triggered that child-proofing feature making the rear doors not openable from inside. Of course, I would expect a trapped person to try the front doors after discovering that the rear ones are locked... but who knows. She could have panicked and forgotten to do something that appears obvious to us here.

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Most horns work even with the IGN isn't on. I'm not sure about BMWs. Also, breaking the window isn't as easy as some might think.
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... It takes a lot more force than you would think to break a car window by hand. That is one of the reasons they sell those little emergency hammers to break the glass if needed.


Sometimes you really do need just the right tool or technique to break a car window. It really is harder than most people think! Granted, I have no idea what's going on with the reporter here, but those emergency hammers you can specifically have a pointed head so you put a lot of force in a concentrated small area. I actually keep one in my car that also has a seatbelt cutter on it. I've thankfully never had to use it and hope to never need to.

It's truly unfortunate what happened here. I hope more details can be found regarding what occurred. It doesn't seem quite right. In any case, I don't find it to be BMW's fault. It's an older car that's out of warranty. It gets to a point where it's up to the owner to make sure things are working. It'd be a different story if it was brand new.
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BMW? Nope.

Brother? Yup.

Sad stuff though.
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R.I.P.
but worst scenario....kick the damn window?
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My first post sounds such douche. RIP to the girl!
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I'm sorry thats sad BUT it's not BMW's liability in any way..
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Sometimes you really do need just the right tool or technique to break a car window. It really is harder than most people think! Granted, I have no idea what's going on with the reporter here, but those emergency hammers you can specifically have a pointed head so you put a lot of force in a concentrated small area. I actually keep one in my car that also has a seatbelt cutter on it. I've thankfully never had to use it and hope to never need to.

It's truly unfortunate what happened here. I hope more details can be found regarding what occurred. It doesn't seem quite right. In any case, I don't find it to be BMW's fault. It's an older car that's out of warranty. It gets to a point where it's up to the owner to make sure things are working. It'd be a different story if it was brand new.
That hammer causes all the force to be applied to a single point which will cause the window to shatter. The same can be done with the ceramic portion of a spark plug. Breaking a window with a foot, etc is very difficult because the force is distributed across a much larger area. It's actually very interesting. I've seen videos of massive rocks being thrown at windows only to bounce off. Concentrate even less force on a small point on the same window and it shatters.


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