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      11-04-2013, 03:04 PM   #1
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Question for Gary and bbs wheel owners(vibrations)

Hi guys I currently own a set of bbs rgr wheels 19x8.5 +30 sqaure set up, I am running 235/35/19 up front with a 5mm spacer and 245/35/19 in rear with Ecs 12.5mm spacer. Tires are currently sunny sn3800 (came with the wheels) I plan on changing to nitto invo after winter but currently am wondering I get a slight vibration in my butt so from the rear it seems mostly when laying into the gas pedal or giving it some real power, this only happens at 80mph and above generally. Wondering if i need hub centric rings, it's the tires, or the spacers. The spacers are hubcentric so I don't believe this would cause the problem and it isn't a bent wheel as its only when laying into it at certain speeds. Reviews on the tires state vibrations but again only at higher speeds when giving it power... Any thoughts? It's hard to tackle this problem being that it could be a few variables! Appreciate the help as always!
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You can start to diagnose the problems by removing some variables. I would install them without the spacers in the rear, and see if the vibrations persist, or if they disappear. I have seen some cases where certain sized spacers aren't compatible with some wheels due to the hub lip design, and as a result, it doesn't allow for the wheel to sit completely straight against it.
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You can start to diagnose the problems by removing some variables. I would install them without the spacers in the rear, and see if the vibrations persist, or if they disappear. I have seen some cases where certain sized spacers aren't compatible with some wheels due to the hub lip design, and as a result, it doesn't allow for the wheel to sit completely straight against it.
First thing to try, just a pain as always to take on and off but that's the name of the game
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Seems no spacer no vibration, should I go down to maybe a 10mm spacer? The wheels do have hubcentric rings
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maybe cv joint?
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Seems no spacer no vibration, should I go down to maybe a 10mm spacer? The wheels do have hubcentric rings
Put your 5mm front spacer in back (and no spacer in front for now), and see if that makes the difference. Personally, I don't like spacers because of things like this and adding another component to the system.

Having vibration data with 5mm will frame your spacer issue a bit (in the back).
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Put your 5mm front spacer in back (and no spacer in front for now), and see if that makes the difference. Personally, I don't like spacers because of things like this and adding another component to the system.

Having vibration data with 5mm will frame your spacer issue a bit (in the back).
Well for now no spacer seems to have solved it I honestly think it's a combination of having Chinese tires along with just a regular balance not road forced balance and then the spacer magnified the issue, I plan on getting a 10mm spacer instead any brand reccomendations?
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My guess is that the spacer was not compatible with the chamfer on the wheels. If you go with slightly larger spacers, they will have a flatter mounting surface, without the beveled edge.
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My guess is that the spacer was not compatible with the chamfer on the wheels. If you go with slightly larger spacers, they will have a flatter mounting surface, without the beveled edge.
So your recommending going with a 15mm say instead of a 10mm?
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Well, not necessarily. If you have the room to go up in size, than that should fix your problem. If you don't have the room, then that is not really a fix, as you may end up rubbing on the fenders.



As long as the spacers don't have a step in them like that, they'll probably work with your wheels.
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Well, not necessarily. If you have the room to go up in size, than that should fix your problem. If you don't have the room, then that is not really a fix, as you may end up rubbing on the fenders.



As long as the spacers don't have a step in them like that, they'll probably work with your wheels.
I do have slight rubbing on larger bumps with two people in car but I raised the corner that was rubbing up since I'm on coils, also that's what my spacer currently looks like , but I thought that would be better since its hubcentric? I looked at a few other brands and it appears the larger you go the larger the lip.. Any reccomendations on brand? Or where to find the correct spacer for these wheels?
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Before buying too may new parts, if you plan on changing tires in the spring, do that first and then revisit the vibration issue. I didn't recognize your tire brand, and now with what you indicated, I'd suspect it may be a tire issue more than spacers. Getting a more mainstream tire (like Nitto and many others), properly balanced, could resolve your issue without buying more spacers.
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Before buying too may new parts, if you plan on changing tires in the spring, do that first and then revisit the vibration issue. I didn't recognize your tire brand, and now with what you indicated, I'd suspect it may be a tire issue more than spacers. Getting a more mainstream tire (like Nitto and many others), properly balanced, could resolve your issue without buying more spacers.
i believe it is a tire issue, i plan on getting nitto invo if i keep the wheels i may switch up to volk te37
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I do have slight rubbing on larger bumps with two people in car but I raised the corner that was rubbing up since I'm on coils, also that's what my spacer currently looks like , but I thought that would be better since its hubcentric? I looked at a few other brands and it appears the larger you go the larger the lip.. Any reccomendations on brand? Or where to find the correct spacer for these wheels?
Being hubcentric is key, but that's not really the source of your vibrations. If you look at the spacer I posted, there's a step between the machined hub, and the flat mounting surface of the spacer. That little step is not allowing you to mount your wheels flush against the hub.

This is just a generic picture I pulled up off of Google, but if you compare the area on these (right where the lip is) to the ones you have, you'll notice the difference.



It comes down to the design of the spacer. Spacers like the ones above can be, and generally are, hubcentric. If you want to change up the brand of spacer, just check the vendor classifieds, or contact ECS Tuning to see if they have any recommendations. Maybe going down to something like an 7mm spacer would be better for you, as it should leave some of the factory hub exposed. That way your wheels can sit centered on them.
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Before buying too may new parts, if you plan on changing tires in the spring, do that first and then revisit the vibration issue. I didn't recognize your tire brand, and now with what you indicated, I'd suspect it may be a tire issue more than spacers. Getting a more mainstream tire (like Nitto and many others), properly balanced, could resolve your issue without buying more spacers.
+1 When I had a speed specific vibration (78+), it was cured by changing out the tires. No bent wheels and the alignment was off. So even prior to the alignment, the vibration was eliminated.
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+1 When I had a speed specific vibration (78+), it was cured by changing out the tires. No bent wheels and the alignment was off. So even prior to the alignment, the vibration was eliminated.
so i wonder if the tires just magnified the issue at hand
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